Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
UK 2009-10-24, 15:41:09, he is using a proxy, Mail 1 #3 http://www.delphifa..p=3#58164
@Graphics guys, some newbies realize their mistake, that this is not a dating site, when told once.
''Hello dear friend.
I'm all good. How you doing? You know, I think that we are both looking for the same.
I hope that you agree completely that honesty and communication is very important to us.
As for me, I do not want too much, I just want for my life
Honest, romantic relationships, always new and happy.
I am looking for a good and proper person to whom I allow my
open fully. I want to find a man whom I love
fully, gently, without restrictions or barriers.
I still hope to meet him.
You do not think we can go have to meet what we're looking for?
This would be a great success. And if so, I do not want to miss that chance.
You seem to be very polite and intelligent person, I would like to know more about you, your life, your dreams and just say that you want.
Can I ask you a few questions that will help me learn about you a little better.
What better quality of your individuality?
What is the most wide experience between you and a woman? What is the most important thing you look for in others? To
Such a quality in you, most people would be surprised to know?
What do you not love the most?
What is your favorite color? I want to send my mail only to you, and I think that this is the right step.
I want to be honest with you. Do you agree with me? So, dear, I will wait your next letter with impatience.
I hope to hear from you very soon.
I am very interested in you and I will be happy to continue our correspondence and then meet in person.
I send you my photo.
Kisses, your Lilia.''
I hope that you agree completely that honesty and communication is very important to us.
I just want for my life Honest, romantic relationships, always new and happy.
No! She wants just only '' MONEY ''.
IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
22.214.171.124 RUSSIAN FEDERATION MARIY-EL YOSHKAR-OLA 56.637
47.871 - +04:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL OJSC VOLGATELECOM RELINFO.RU
IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
7 - (RSXX0186) KOZ'MODEM'JANSK
IP Information - 126.96.36.199 IP address: 188.8.131.52
Reverse DNS: 138.22.pppoe.mari-el.ru.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Verified]
ASN Name: MARTELCOM-AS (Mari El Net)
IP range connectivity: 2
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): RU [Russian Federation]
Country Currency: RUR [Russia Rubles]
Country IP Range: 184.108.40.206 to 220.127.116.11
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Yoshkar-Ola, Mariy-El
Country (per outside source): RU [Russian Federation]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: BOGUS
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 18.104.22.168
Hello my friends Wan Wan, Ojas, Dirk,
How are you?
I have really lit up this bitch/bloke scammer!! FEED THE GREED works a treat!!
her name and address:
Hi my beloved Brian! I am very glad to receive now from you the letter!!! As I really thought. That you have forgotten about me. Thank God, that you have simply been occupied and were engaged in the affairs. That you wrote concerning money - you sent it on the address of my work. I any more do not work there. As my contract already expires. Especially mail in that area does not work. As for a long time already. So. That 500 pounds which you sent - you will receive money back. Because I cannot receive it. At present I am in city Yoshkar-Ola, 424033 at my grandmother.
Here my address:
city Yoshkar-Ola, 424033 - index
Proletarskaya 18a street
How can I check out the name and address? Can you help or suggest?
I have sent NOTHING only promises!
I have asked for bank name, address, code, account number, name of account holder so that I can send direct from my bank account to hers/his?
I will let you know how I get on. I am going to trap this scammer with the help of the Russian police I hope!!
Oh and her last email sent 5 photos , one of which I already had!!
best regards to all of you,
anonymous from United Kingdom
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Hi,how are you ?
How was your weekend ?
I hope you had a good time there in your home.
But me,,,,,,I dealt with so many Russian Scammer's Testicles
in my mail box in weekend!!??
By the way
I tried looking into your scammer's infos on internet.Off course I could not find same girl but,
''city Yoshkar-Ola, 424033 - index
Proletarskaya 18a street ''
Brian,thank you for your scam reports.
And please ask your Olga to provide her phone number to you.
It is a clue to search for her real address.
And if she asks for your phone number,never provide your phone number.
Do you use free phone call service in UK ?
If you can,please use free phone call service and will call her by free call.
Scammers never tell you about their real address,bank account,etc.
But sometimes scammers tell us their real phone number (off course it is only a cell phone number,not a land line phone number.But a cell phone number is a clue for us to find their real address.)
Please try it !
(They never provide you her bank accounts.They only choose money transfer bank like W/Union.
When they provide you their bank accounts,they know they will be arrested immediately.)
I am waiting for you,Brian !
mata-ne(see you again )
I am very well thanks for asking and I hope that you are too! I had a fabulous weekend. On Friday and Saturday night I was socialising in the pubs and clubs in Preston as usual with my best friends John and Paul.It was Paul's birthday on Friday.
I have a very busy social life and I train at the gym twice weekly, visit the sauna & steam room at least 3 times each week and I do a session of yoga also!
I must say that he/she has surprised me a little. She has not given her bank details as you said and I think that she does not believe that I am foolish enough to post a letter enclosing money without a full address. I will write back and convince him/her that I have done exactly that and so that she may think that I am an idiot in love!! He/she has mentioned that she has an uncle who travels extensively outside Russia and he has offered to DEPOSIT MONEY IN MY BANK ACCOUNT so that I can pass it on to her by MONEY GRAM BANK!! Have you heard of Money Gram Bank??
He/she has mentioned her uncle and his travels in previous letters. I think that they may try to raid my bank account but I have one which I seldom use and I will leave a balance of only £1 in the account. They will have to work very hard for no money!!!!!
I have asked at least 3 times for her telephone number but she has always avoided answering the question. I will ask again and see if I am successful this time.
I am posting her latest letter and I would appreciate your advice before I respond? There is no way that she could be genuine is there? I would hate myself if I was messing about with a genuine good person!!!!
Hi my greatest love Brian! I am glad again to you to write the letter.
And please, I ask you also me without answers never to leave, you
promise?????? It is good, if it so. I wish to tell at once to you, my
boss and I never will receive your money. Because they cannot go
without an exact name and a surname. I asked in bank, that nobody can
so to send money in an envelope. I ask me not to deceive... Today I
tell all to you - weather at us not so good, a little cloudy
nevertheless! It certainly already come coldly as air and earth not to
be heated any more. How at you weather? Brian, you should know, that I
think always of you, my darling. Unique now the thought is you at me
in a head. I think of you and day and night both when it is occupied
and when the free. And when simply at home the TV to look! I always
think of you. Also I represent constantly that I now did - if was at
you. I think, that we together would go, and to keep for hands now,
would tell more about each other, all secrets and secrets. YES, I wish
to know you nevertheless better! And still to come to you to the
house. To lay down together with you in a bed and to have pleasure in
sex. I so already strongly wish to try it, I dream to be raised at
night also much, you understand as strongly I you I want? To touch all
your body from feet to a head. Gently to raise you and that you did to
me well always. Always could deliver me great pleasure!! I love you
and I wish to be favourite. To have pleasure every day and I think you
you will be strong for this purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also I wish to visit
you if you know? We talked already to you about it. My favourite
prince, Brian, you precisely wish to be with me together??????? I know
the answer to this question - yes you want! But to help me with it it
is simple at you there is no possibility money. You wrote to me about
it, that cannot help. And I well understand you. Each person has
problems, at me them also it is a lot of and money to be required
always and everywhere. Then I have decided to prove to you - that any
money just from you is not necessary for me!!!!!!!!!! Therefore I
found other way to meet. Also - I will do all my trip through agency,
I also wrote to you about it. The visa will operate 3 months, and the
passport for travel abroad of 6 months. I think, that we with you it
is good to spend this time! But there is also a chance to receive
citizenship that we could live always together!!! BUT!!!!!!!! IT WILL
be, IF BOTH OF US WANT IT!!!!!! I think, that we speak about it when
we see later. Brian only, I wrote today the letter to my uncle. I have
the uncle whom person lives often in hotels and business. Now on a
trip on affairs, in business trip!! I wrote it the letter today, and
he read it so quickly gave me already the answer, about 1.5 hours
back. There he wrote - that the darling Brian can help me with money
for my trip to you!! You do not know - what I had a smile on the
person and as I am happy now!!!! But he wrote - that in Russia cannot
send at once money to me! Because it has firms in Russia to which it
already sent money earlier. Now it has a limit for certain time!!! It
is necessary for it for this purpose the bank account which is not in
Russia!!! That from its firms to translate money. You understand?? And
then I have thought of you my darling Brian! That we can just use
yours the bank account for transfer of money!!! For this purpose my
uncle needs to know your data: Your exact a name and a surname, The
bank name!! account number, sort code Or if you have the firm account
then it is better to use it. That less questions was from the state
and bank. And to my uncle will be is much easier and faster. Then I to
send it to my uncle. It to you to transfer at once money into account!
And then you also prove to me Brian - that you also wish to help!!!
And then I will see your aspiration!!!! If you receive money from my
uncle then to transfer it trace to me - you will use Money Gram Bank!
ok?? But we then discuss it, the main thing that my uncle helped us!!!
But I think, that you, my darling, seriously concerned us think! I
already completely ready to you to fly!!!! As I want it, have got
tired already to live one, without you. I am cold in bed, without you
Brian!!!!!! Understand me correctly. Though I and the girl - but I
found a way out that we met! So, whether you agree the darling?? I
will wait for your answer, together with your kisses!!! Here, yours