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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2006-05-29, 11:30:56
anonymous from United Kingdom  
To find the IP address you need to open 'full headers'

here is a link that shows you how.

http://aruljohn.com..dress.php

Then when you find the IP you can trace it using one of the following.

http://aruljohn.com..rack.html

http://www.dnsstuff.com/

2006-05-29, 11:36:07
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Better still Mrs C , I think the scammer knows you need 10. So any random 10 and then when she gets back to you and tells you it is wrong. You could then say you misread 1 number and give her the 'correct' number. Sure why not send her the WU MCTN for especially with her name on it. She wants 800$, tell her you sent $1000 and she should buy something nice for herself at the airport.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia



Keywords: western union
2006-05-29, 12:50:54
MJ from United States  
Sending 'her' on a wild goose chase sounds like fun. But you know, I would much rather have an admition of guilt... Not that I am likely to get it. I am going to make her squirm, for nothing.

She told me not to put a city on the form. I'll tell her she needs to go to Nihzny, where she's supposed to be.

This was the first time she messaged me twice in one day. This one just came in. Obviously copied and pasted, because some sentences are indented:

'Have a nice ay honey! I hope, you to receive my last message. I Just
to want to say to you, that I very much to miss on you and to wait for
your answer. Also I hope, that you can send me yours transfer. As soon
as I to receive it, I at once to go to pay for this delightful house.

There can be I a little crazy, but I to want to say to you once again
- I so am happy, that is already absolutely fast we to meet!!! I very
much to miss on you...

My hot kisss only for you. Veronika'




I thought I would start by telling her that we don't have Western Union here. It's a tiny little town in the middle of cornfields (it is). Then, I'll mail her a money order. I'll ask her where I should send it. Then, I'll say that I'll be there next week, just show up at her apartment, so there was no reason to send the money. I'll tell her I'm bringing cash with me. Man, I'd like to see who shows up at that house to get that money. It's got to be some kind of lowlife internet pimp.

What's funny is that these pictures are nowhere to be found, as a scammer. They're totally new.


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2006-05-29, 13:24:06
anonymous from United States  
How about:

Michael Justin Dabrowneye
123 Hurt lane
As Whole balleed

Or:

Michael Lun
345 Olover Ewe
#2, Brown st.
2006-05-29, 16:14:26
anonymous from United States  
Ok MJ
heres another Idea
It will Just take some Cut and Paste to fill it out...
Send her This

INSERT YOUR STATE)
Department of Mental Health


Dear Ms. (insert her name)

It has come to our attention that you have been corresponding with a Mr. (insert your name) by means of the Internet. While client privacy is very important to us, we are required to notify you by law (penal code 469)
Mr. (YOURNAME) is a patient of our instation and and has been under our care for a great number of years.

Mr (YOUR NAME) was convicted of a number of serious crimes including
1. kidnapping first dagree, downloading music from napster, rape, fishing without a license, sodamy, passing in a no passing zone, murder and littering of the first dagree,

In 1987 the courts found Mr. (your name) criminally insane and remanded him into our institution.

We kindly ask if you chose to continue cammunacations with Mr. (your name) we request that you reframe from devulging personal information, i.e. name, address photos or phone number.

Mr. (YOUR NAME) has been deemed to be an escape risk and your personal safety is most important to us

Thank you
Richard Head

Director of Patients Actvitys



Mrs. C
2006-05-29, 16:21:39
fb456728@skynet.be from Belgium  
About 2006-05-28, 12:29:03 - the tulip girl. Can anyone tell where this picture came from?
2006-05-29, 16:54:08
fb456728@skynet.be from Belgium  
About 2006-05-28, 12:29:03 - the tulip girl. Can anyone tell where this picture came from?
2006-05-29, 18:45:37
anonymous from Australia  
When they want you to send money tell them in your country you need a copy of identification to export over xxx$'s . It took a bit of convincing but eventualy I got ascan of a passport from the girl...then I told her I was sedning it to the KGB and the Russian Emabasy in my country ..or whatever
2006-05-29, 20:30:38
anonymous from United States  
I had another thought
you know how when you go to the sites to send E-Cards and thay ask for the persons E-mail address and yours?
why not use all the E-mail adresses (not Yours)she uses and some of the other scammers adresses and send her a couple dozen E-cards.
that way the scammers will get mail boxes full of Spam.
and if thay are Realy paying to use the Internet Cafe it will cost them money to get spam?
Mrs. C
2006-05-30, 00:49:30
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Mrs C .... now there is a good idea. And you could make sure to send only those cards that play that daft music. You could send from one scammer to another..........
2006-05-30, 04:59:41
MJ from United States  


The tulip girl said she was Anastasia, then she said her name was Nastya. She sent this letter:

Hello. I am glad to receive from you the letter. How at you an affair?
I'm fine. I shall tell to you a little about myself: I was born in
Russia in city Chebokasry where and now I live. Cheboksary the big
city With an ancient history. I live one. I live from the grandmother.
The father at me is not present, It has left from my mother when I was
still small and consequently I do not remember it. Mum half-year ago
has left to live for Finland to the friend on correspondence and has
already married him. I was brought up by my mother. I studied
perfectly well, never shirked lessons. After school I have acted In
university. I have finished university with the red diploma. I was
taught On the lawyer. But while find work by a trade I could not. Now
I work The seller in shop. This work to like me. The computer of a
house at me is not present, therefore To me to have to go in Internet
cafe. I have girlfriend, is usual on the days off We walk on park, we
still like, to carry out the free time in a wood, On the nature. In
the mornings I usually make jog on park. It helps up to The end to
wake up, and cheers up. I very much like to prepare. My mum Me since
the childhood has accustomed to look after the house and to prepare
for different dishes. Visitors, Which come to us on a visit speak,
that I am tasty I prepare. Sometimes my mother Speaks me that to me
was necessary to go to study as the cook. As father at me Was not, I
since the childhood helped mum, in fact one it is difficult for it to
look after the house, For me. I like to read books, I like to watch
TV. I adore To look films at cinemas. I have told to you a little
about myself. Now your turn to tell to me about Itself and to send the
photos. There came to me the photos. Tell to me about the dream, of
the purposes what you would want to find the woman. Write to me, I
shall wait from you the letter. Anastasia

Nasta28love@mail.ru
2006-05-30, 07:48:15
anonymous from Canada  
MJ here is your IP for HeartofAngel@inbox.ru
Getting MX record for inbox.ru (from local DNS server, may be cached)... Got it!

Host Preference IP(s) [Country] mxs.mail.ru. 10 194.67.23.20 [R- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Step 1: Try connecting to the following mailserver:
mxs.mail.ru. - 194.67.23.20

Step 2: If still unsuccessful, queue the E-mail for later deliv.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Trying to connect to all mailservers:

mxs.mail.ru. - 194.67.2WHOIS results for 194.67.23.20
Generated by www.DNSstuff.com
Location: Russian Federation (high)

ARIN says that this IP belongs to RIPE; I'm looking it up there.


Using 6 day old cached answer (or, you can get fresh results).
Hiding E-mail address (you can get results with the E-mail address).

% This is the RIPE Whois query server #1.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% Note: the default output of the RIPE Whois server
% is changed. Your tools may need to be adjusted. See
% http://www.ripe.net..0331.html
% for more details.
%
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net..ight.html

% Information related to '194.67.23.0 - 194.67.23.255'

inetnum: 194.67.23.0 - 194.67.23.255
netname: MAILRU-NET
descr: Mail.ru
descr: Pushechnaya st., 2/6
descr: 103012, Moscow
country: RU
tech-c: VG659-RIPE
admin-c: VG659-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
notify: ***@sovam.com
mnt-by: AS3216-MNT
changed: ***@sovam.com 20040609
source: RIPE

person: Vladimir Gabrelyan
address: 2/6, Pushechaya str., Moscow, Russia
e-mail: *********@corp.mail.ru
remarks: fax-no: +7 095 7256357
fax-no: +7 495 7256357
remarks: phone: +7 095 7256357
phone: +7 495 7256357
nic-hdl: VG659-RIPE
changed: *********@corp.mail.ru 20040608
source: RIPE
remarks: modified for Russian phone area changes
changed: ********@ripe.net 20051216

% Information related to '194.67.0.0/18AS3216'

route: 194.67.0.0/18
descr: SOVAM DELEGATED BLOCK-1
origin: AS3216
notify: ******@sovam.com
mnt-by: AS3216-MNT
changed: ***@sovam.com 19960708
source: RIPE


3.20 [Successful connect: Got a good response [250 OK]] (took 1.188 seconds)

ps; Note the person...also if anyone can read Russian, the picture where she's crawling there is some Russian wording...good luck!



I am Canadian
2006-05-30, 08:31:16
anonymous from Canada  
see the pic i just received. does anyone recongnize ?
she goes under Elana Veronina, but i did not find anywhere.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 1



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2006-05-31, 01:11:20
anonymous from United Kingdom  
You should post 'her' photos and letters on as many antis-scam sites as you can. She is obviously a new face and needs exposure. Have you checked her IP address?

http://romancescam.com/

http://www.romances...ntact.htm

http://russiandetec...tive.html

2006-06-01, 20:30:14
anonymous from United States  
katealonge@yahoo.com is a scammer too, says she is from Nigera


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