Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
To anonymous question on Marina - I got the pic you show via Match.com (Lampa7) with a request to communicate via an alternate e-mail (firstname.lastname@example.org). She sent the attached pic and the text below. As soon as I noted I thought this was a scam (thanks but no thanks)...no more e-mails.
I am pleased to receive the letter from you. I to want to study you is
more and me I hope to begin good friends. My name - Marina to me of 28
years, I live in Russia in city of Volzhsk. You are probably surprised
as not in your country but if I have defined Russia how you would
think, what you to me are determined in my structure, have written? I
hope, what you understand me, also, that we can communicate further? I
would like to tell a little about me directly, it for me, for the
first time, that I never got acquainted through the Internet, but I
think in me, it appears. I was disaccustomed in To school of 10 years,
started to study from medical institute, has studied 5 years, it for
me There were years of the unforgettable student. I to like to be
engaged in sports meets, once a week I go on gymnastics. I very much
like to go on fresh air. I live one in the house, I to have two rooms
. I have many friends. I very much like to spend to carry out my free
time with them. I am very pleased, that I have such good friends, they
always help me when the help is necessary for me... I think, that
friends are very important for each person. Write to me a little about
yourself as you to like to spend a free time which you love.
her latest letter...PLS TELL ME IF THIS IS A SCAMMER!!!!!
Hello honey! I'm glad to read your message and learn that i can
really on your help in paying in the agency. Tony, I send you x-copies
of all my documents which I have for this time. Also I understand your
experience. I should speak to you, that I do not try to deceive you, I
really wish our love. I feel myself a little uncomfortable because i
had to ask you for help. Always i considered myself to be an
independent person who can solve all the problems himself. But this
time i was wrong that could pay for the journey myself. When i
traveled earlier, it was cheaper. But now i am glad that you can help
me. You know, after our acquaintance i have changed the opinion about
myself. Earlier i consider myself to be a strong and independent
person, and it was pleasant that i could care of myself. And now i
feel i am a woman who needs support. It is very pleasant to know that
there is a man, a strong man, who can protect me from all the
troubles. Tony, i said the place of meeting to the agent, and he told
me that will tell me exactly cost my trip after i pay all sum for
visa. he told that cannot tell me it right now because cannot be sure
when i will pay for my visa full and it depends when i receive it. if
you cannot help me with all sum pay for tickets later - i will try ask
some money from my friends or parents. but i do not think that i can
receive all sum. Now i need in 5-6 days about 500 $ USA to pay the
agency the second part. I hope, honey, it will not be very difficult
for you, and you will help me during 5-6 days. I will learn in agency
how you can send it. Honey, i hope, i did not made you problems with
my hurry. probably this waste of money is not planned for you. If so,
please. do not be angry with me... It is a pity but I have no phone on
which you could call me, but I can call you is fast. I miss you very
much, and waiting for our meeting. Write me soon. My hugs and kisses,
your sweet Naily.
Keywords: fake passport
anonymous from Canada
Hello!!!! Have good day. I hope, that you remember me because I have written to you recently on a dating site and you
answered me. I am sorry, I did not write to you back at once.
You see, I live in Russia, and I was busy, organizing all my preparations for travel. I was in Moscow and I booked my interiew for
the trip to the Canada, it takes approximately two weeks to go to Moscow and back. You
know, it is my first time when I try the correspondence with the man in virtual space.
I am not so good user Intenet, but I hope that I shall have chance
to meet the good person.
I think, that I shall explain to you why I do it. I shall work in
the Canada approximately three months or more and I wish to meet a
good person to be my guide or be the good friend with whom I can spend time together when I am in the Canada. I think
it is very difficult to live in foreign city without friends and besides I never were
abroad. You know, I live in small city in Russia andI am afraid to be lost in your country.
I also wish to see a real life (not the TV shows), and it is impossible to see a real life without the person, who
knows all parts of a life.
Also I do not wish to live in Russia because I have no opportunities here, it is
hardly possible to explain in a few words, but I want you to know all mine
plans. When being in the Canada I shall work in any shop or I shall be the baby sitter in some family. I shall know
details later. Except for that I love English language and it will give me chance
improve my English.The agency helps me to receive the visa, the permission to work
and all travel documents.It is their business, and I shall pay for their Services.
One of my friend worked in the Canada for three
months in the past to year, and she loved it very much, and she wishes to repeat this trip again.
She has met the right person in some province near Quebeck, and they are good friends now and he will marry her if all will be
good between them. In Russia we have special programs for
work in the Canada and other countries and I think, that itis the right
way for me. I feel lost here, and I hope, that I shall be able to change my life.
I have many plans and dreams...
I have dark brown hair and brown eyes. I send you my pictures, and I hope, that you like me if we meet in real.
Please tell to me what you think about this.I finish this letter, and I hope, that you write me very soon.
Probably you think, that I am little bit crazy, but I am sure thatit is the right way to meet good the man without
meeting personally in a real life and besides knowIt is my first try on the Internet.
I shall leave my city in some days to fly to Moscow again to finish all things for travel. Agency
will arrange this trip for me, and I shall work all the day long and I think, that we can spend evenings together and the know
each other better. If you have any interest to meet me I shall be very happy!!!
I do not want to be lonely in the evenings, and I want to know for sure if somebody waits for someone me! It is just a woman's wish!
I shall tell to you all details about my life and about me later.
If you are also lonely, you can be with me for the few
Months or so.... Who knows???!
For that australian guy Believe me she is a scammer!!They have internet to and the data for flight and arrivals are picked from the internet.Believe me you stand there on the airport and waiting but nothing comes and gone is your money.
I'm sorry to say but I was once also such a big fool.
If you want more info write me at my mail adress
for the canadian guy aslong she ask no money she is ok but beware if she is going to ask money!!!Point 2 that it is very hard and expensive to go from Russia and as you know maybe it is not easy to come to your country even if on a work permit.
If you want I can give you more info write me at my mailadres
anonymous from United States
someone tried this on me too...you have to be a fool to fall for it...i'm playing along and asked for some naked pictures of her...don't send money or you are an idiot
Wow, glad I looked on this site...was probably going to get scammed myself. And since my last relationship on match.com was a pooper, thought I'd google this guy and looky here...
How is your day going? Just sending you another email of more about myself..I cant wait to know more about you and see things will work for us.I have always wanted to be alone and do things my way so getting into the line of work had been a way for me to express lots of my flair of entertainment and arts.I love to watch football.My favourite sport too is football but then i like to see it in the international level and also its peak of advancement.My family is not in the US,right now i only have my Mom because i lost my Dad while i was younger and since then she vowed not to remarry and a promise she keeps till now.So no siblings,and i have only just my Mom and she has never been to the States either because of the rate at which violence comes up in the news and all that so she gets so scared and wants to always be careful.I have stayed in Matthews for about 4years now.But have stayed with my late grandma in Madison that in Wisconsin when i lost my Dad and had to leave for safety,never had the chance to make friends there,see how the place is or even have a feel of the area well that i might call security anyway.
I have had just one serious and commited relationship which i was humiliated in,and since i have been hurt,i know how it feels and do not wish to experience such nor make anyone feel such.My ex was impregnated by my best friend so i had to let her go.Though i am way over it anyway and ready to move on and ahead to a better life.Tell me about your past relationships and if any luck so far being on match.None for me as though had two dates but just never seem serious all they wanted was just a night stand and i am not that type i need something and someone serious to be with.I will wait to hear from you.
Also sorry for the delay in responding to you ,i was actually planning on a trip out of town because of my work.I am into sales,sales of gems,jewelries,gold and artifacts,so i a needing something african and there is no way i would get such with the kind of authencity needed if i dont go there,so going to africa to do shopping for my work and when i am done i will come back home to do my sales. Had India and africa as my priority of where to go but most likely going to africa so leaving tomorrow because of my work but i will always keep in touch alright but will be back in less than 2-3weeks .So let me know how you are doing alright.
Have a good day .
Cecil_G_63@Yahoo.com from Chicago in Illinois, United States
Hi Guys, It's Me -
Marvin Cecil Gonzalez at Cecil_G_63@Yahoo.com.
I found this on the page:
'Dating Scammer Greenday564@gmail.com from Tomsk, Russia'
here on this Delphifaq Site.
The credit and recognition for the 411 goes to the author and not me.
And who uses the following websites to contact victims. . .
Dating Site: True, Match, Singlesnet, and Lovetopping.
Community Sites: MySpace
Job Sites: Careerbuilders and Monster.
( Stolen databases ).
Read the following and know that I am to copy and paste on the other 2 pages as well:
Luckychicka is a fake person. She claims to be a dentist, her parents died in a car crash, her brother is a sailor, she owns several apartments, and says she doesn't care about money. She said she was married, but divorced, her husband was a heavy drinker, and smoker. She hardly ever answers questions, and if you try to get her to join a video chat room, she claims she doesn't have a camera, or a home computer?
A dentist in any country wont wear a short skirt to work, and she can't be so poor being a dentist, and not have a home computer.
She acts sweet, and sincere. I have many letters from her, and she always says she can only use a computer at a café.
She is a lier, a fake, a whore, and much worse.....who ever she/he is....is very smart. I have connections in some branches of the United States Intelligence, and had a search done on her. Here are some facts.
1. She is a model, and has been to N.y. city three times as a working guest on a visa.
2. The women in the pictures maybe a innocent person, and not involved with this.
3. Address given is not even a house hold, or apartment. Its a mail box much like a P.O. box in America.
4. There is no female dentist in the town where she claims to live.
5. This is not a single person doing this, it is part of a very lucrative network, that has been established in Russia for over ten years. It has links to Russian Mafia, and even middle eastern veins of connections. One person who's name did pop up, a man named Gunther Romananski has been linked to this group as a typist, and computer tech, having been arrested for fraud in the same town, in 2001, from a drug sting done on the property where at the time this group was working from. A Russian form of Meth was the reason for the sting. Officials found the network by accident, It was not shut down, instead the computers were returned to the buildings owner.
6. Over 1,000 men are being e-mailed by this group right now, and its 'Ladies' are mostly men.
7. The CIA has had a eye on this group for some time due to money transfers from other countries in the russian area, and the middle east, and communications with weapon dealers, drug rings, pornographic, and prostitution rings.
This is all I can tell you.
Mst Sgt N.Seal R/d Blackeagle7
*** Thankyou Mr Blackeagle7 ***
NOTE::: Check out our beloved entity and her new 411 and pix on:
Dating Scammer Angela, Angelanakid@gmail.com from Russia'.
Luv ya guys and this site. . .
anonymous from United States
From the Match.com site I received one of those 'fish-hook' letters. 'She' is a very beautiful Nigerian woman who claimed to be 'captivated' by my 'handsomeness'. We emailed few times, chatted a little, and my interest was stimulated. Out of curiosity, I googled her, and found a link to a site called 'PozitiveLiving.com' or something like that, which is a site for AIDS/HIV-positive dating. The photo in that profile was at some variance with the ones she'd sent. The catch was that the words she used in that profile were EXACTLY identical to those she used in her first email to me. I brougt this to her attention, and she (of course) denied any knowlege of it, and accused me of being HIV positive.
After a few more chat sessions, I began to hope that she might be the real thing and lowered my guard ... which went right up again after she told me that she needed $800 USD to pay fees in order to get travle papers and exit visa from her country.
Too bad that I'm such a cynic. I might have gone for this one.
Keywords: black girl in ocean blue bikini
[hidden] from Norway
ANYBODY KNOW KSENYIA FROM VOLGA?
26 YEARS AND I MET HER ON HOLOSTYAK.
Keywords: blonde blue fur coat
from Elwood in Victoria, Australia
can anyone read russian? see the attached visa application
i think this girl IS for real!!
she says the visa is $700 US, she has paid $200 already & her father will pay for the ticket to australia...she wants me to pay $500 US...Should I pay? I might be an idiot, but im thinknig she is real!!
HELP ME OUT GUYS!! I THINK SHE IS THE REAL DEAL!!!
Hi Tony, Reading your letter, I am glad, I dream of our future, about
us, my lovely you the most good My lovely man, I every day, think
about our meetings, remained very little, and we shall be together,
and our dreams will come true, earlier it were dreams, but now it is a
reality. It are necessary to wait very little that we could make each
other steps and embrace and feel a real meeting.
Dear, I send to you a copy of the contract with agency, here is shown
that I should to pay $700USA, but I already spoke you, that $200 have
already paid, and now it is required only $500. It is a pity to me,
but too in Russian, here is written all obligations of agency and
mine, it is possible if you find the Russian person he reads to you
Thank dear, thank that you can help for the ticket too. But I do not
want, that you would have the big expenses for me, and I think that my
father will make for me the ticket itself. Later when we meet if you
want to thank him, it will are possible for you. Therefore, I need
only in $500USA.
Tony, I have no phone on which you could cause me. Probably if you
give me your phone number then I can call you...
Speak me how you want to translate funds? Probably Money Gram or what
julia has been e-mailing me as well boys..moment i questioned her she stooped sending e-mails..didnt ask for cash but nothing stacked up...fit though and kept the boys amused for a while..goes under email@example.com and boodji on faceparty.com.
anonymous from United States
anyone seen this one yet. 1st pic was vary sweet. I deleted it but this one is a little sluty. идеальная+фигура it means Ideal figure. it was att. to her pic. http://translation2..alink.com/ free site. try it.
Keywords: blonde white pullover door white boots
anonymous from United States
Marina <firstname.lastname@example.org> She found me at match.com
Keywords: blonde blue jeans white pullover white boots
email@example.com from Australia
can someone please tell me the best way to find if this russian girl contacting me is a SCAMMER? i hv 2 letters above showing her passport & visa application