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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-06-19, 10:14:29
anonymous from Mexico  
Hello Guys !!!

Have you seen this girl before?

She is using the name Ekaterina and she says that she is living now in Izhevsk

She is using the email larkoshka@gmail.com

If you know her or have contacted her before let me know.

Thanks !!!



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2007-06-19, 10:14:58
anonymous from Mexico  
Hello Guys !!!

Have you seen this girl before?

She is using the name Ekaterina and she says that she is living now in Izhevsk

She is using the email larkoshka@gmail.com

If you know her or have contacted her before let me know.

Thanks !!!



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2007-06-19, 11:25:14
anonymous from United States  
Anon US,They will hire girl's to do call's or the other sumation is that's it's a scammer's gf or wife even.Read a post recently about arrested scammers and it was a husband/wife team! Just goes to show,ya never know who's on the other end of those letter's! I've had some that answer question AND comment on them,acually made it into a topic!? The presumption there is they're smaller or 'independent's' and not part of a large group.Something we'll never know for sure!


Anon Mexico,Can you post a header so we can see where they come from?
2007-06-19, 13:36:17
anonymous from Sweden  
anon MEX...i haven't seen the photos but i think the pictures look like poor copies anyway.

However, it's not good to post a girl's pics here unless you're sure that she's a scammer. You need a bit more evidence. Did she ask for money? Is she using a proxy server etc to hide her location? how are her letters, are they very long and rambling and typical scam marerial?

If this girl is real then you are doing her a disservice if you post her photos here because they can't be easily removed now.

Eddie
2007-06-20, 10:28:27
anonymous from Mexico  
The lletter from this girls are fulled with the same BS as other we have seen before, i started to notice that she was a scammer because i asked her her full name and she has not answered that simple question. Besides i aksed her for her cell phone or home phone number and she said that at her place she doesnt has a phone neither a cell phone thats why my doubts started.

But anyway thanks for the advice !!!

I am pretty sure that i saw this picture before in this site but i cant remember under what name despite the site says that the picture hasn´t been posted. Nevertheless i am very confident about i saw the picture before.

Thanks Guys

Good Day.
2007-06-20, 12:36:27
anonymous from United States  
Like I said before...Post a full header so we can see where it comes from!
2007-06-20, 15:29:42
anonymous from Sweden  
anon Mex!...thanks for the extra information. From what you say, she's definitely a scammer!!! All Russian girls have at least one mobile nowadays, sometimes more. I haven't seen these photos in any other threads on this site, but there are so many.

In any case, if she has raised your suspicions in the first place, then she is mostly likely a scammer. Play with her until you get a money letter and then post all the details here.
ciao!
2007-06-21, 05:28:17
anonymous from United States  
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Evgenia Arshenova. sajansk, near Irkutsk. Same music teachermom , retired engineer dad. Dance teacher, will work as waitress. This bitch is not a blonde, but a very hot (surprise!) brunette. YOU all have read the story.. I, too, want some nudes before i tell 'her' she's a scammer.
2007-06-21, 09:47:32
anonymous from United States  
Not to be picky BUT,this is really the wrong thread for 'her'! Didn't you see the title?
2007-06-21, 13:00:04
anonymous  
hi dont bother with her she is a scammer and a nutter . elena yes its her name so is a lot of them they keep changing names they also keep changing hair colour my elena is black . they dont give you there last name either .she is from kazan in russia which is full of scammers . you been warned. ask her address youl be suprised .check out my elena on page 41
2007-06-22, 05:58:48
anonymous from Sweden  
Learn the typical Russian dating scam signs:

1. girl's too young (or too cute to be true)
2. scammer contacts you first
3. most of the pics are old and a bit faded (or numbered)
4. very long rambling form letters with strange format
5. writes in English everyday (how does she have time if she's working?...plus most
Russians can't speak a word of English)
6. conveniently doesn't have kids
7. doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter)
8. falls in love with you by email (quickly or slowly) and wants to visit you first. Real
Russian girls would expect you to come to Russia first, of course. Makes spurious
excuses for you not coming to visit her (too dangerous, blablabla).
9. wants money for a 'visa' and maybe tickets, even though she needs a personal letter
of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your
home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you). Without these
documents and the ones she needs to fill in, she won't get a Schengen visa to visit
you.
10. uses a proxy server, SOCKS-server or GPRS Internet to hide his/her location (if you've learned how to check an IP) or the BAT! or other spamming software to send his/her mails.

If some or most of these criteria fit, it's 100% scam.

In that case, you can send him/her the Eddie standardized fuck-you-scam-monkey email. Don't use the cyrillic version if you're using a free mail account, eg hotmail because these aren't compatible with cyrillic. English translation included free of charge.

Cyrillic version:
Привет мудозмон!
Пожалуйста, не оскорбляйте мой интеллект. Tы не живете в (название города), ты живете в Yoshktar Ola, преступный город в России. Tы посылаете мне украденные фотографии и копируете письма хуиня. Скоро, Tы будете просить деньги получить визу (невозможный получить без письменного приглашения от меня и билетов, также.)

Поэтому, я сэкономлю тас некоторое время. Пойдите отсюда, чтобы искать честную работу, ты несчастный жулик. Я не имею никакого интереса в ташем cкамерство. Oto'idi, a to jebnu, хохол. Idi na khuy!

Transscribed version:
Privet mudozvon!
Pozhalujsta, ne oskorbl'ajte moj intellekt. Ty ne zhivete v (name of city), ty zhivete v Yoshktar Ola, prestupnyj gorod v Rossii. Ty posylayete mne ukradennyye fotografii i pis'ma kopii khu'in'a. Skoro, ty budete prosit' den'gi poluchit' vizu (nevozmozhnyj poluchit' bez pis'mennogo priglasheniya ot men'a i biletov takzhe.)

Poetomu, ya sekonoml'u tas nekotoroye vrem'a. Pojdite ots'uda, chtoby iskat' chestnuyu rabotu, ty neschastnyj zhulik. Ya ne imeyu interes dl'a vashego skamerstvo. Oto'idi, a to jebnu, khokhol. Idi na khuy!

English version:
Hello bullshitter,
Please do not insult my intelligence. You don't live in (name of city), you live in Yoshktar Ola, a criminal city in Russia. You send me stolen photos and shit-quality copy letters. Soon, you'll request money to obtain a visa (impossible to obtain without a letter of invitation from me and tickets as well.)

Therefore, I will save you some time. Go from here to seek an honest job, you miserable swindler. I'm not interested in your scam business. Get lost or I'll kick your ass, you greedy moron. Fuck you!

good luck!


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2007-06-22, 11:57:18
anonymous from Mexico  
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2007-06-24, 01:13:40
anonymous from Orchard Park, United States  
If it sounds and looks to good to be True, It is. We can do better,
2007-06-25, 14:49:28
anonymous  
Hello friends,

Is this girl a scammer?

>>My name is Olga. To me 29 years old. I was born on 28 November in 1977 in Yoshkar Ola, republic Mari El. My growth of 170 centimeters, my weight approximately 56 kgs. I live in a small one-room apartment on 3 floor. I work as the doctor. <<

Who nows her?


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2007-06-25, 19:11:59
anonymous from United States  
Well we could use more info than that BUT,'she' does 'live' in the heart of scammer country!

For future reference the following is the important info to post first;

Name {with surname if possible}

E-mail address

Location {country,city,street}

Phone number {if given}

The money request letter,with full header.With that the IP can be seen and if an X-mailer {ie;THEBAT}is used.

The dating site the scammer contacted you on.


With that available people doing a google search will get answer's.
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