Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
anonymous from Saint Petersburg, Russian Federation
Hello! i'm not a man,i'm a woman but i got some strange messages from a girl from Senegal asking for help,maybe she thought i'm a man and i'll send her some money to safe her from refugee camp or what,i'll place here 3 her letters and a picture.I'm sure she's a Scammer.
Hello Dearest ,
I am more than happy in your reply to my mail,
How are you today?.
mine was very cool over here in Daker Senegal.
My name is Maryjen OTI 22 years old girl from Ivory Coast in west Africa and presently i am residing as a refugee here in dakar as a result of the civil war going on in mycountry.
My late father DR KINGSLEY OTI was the personal advicer to the former head of state before the rebels attacked my house one early morning killing my mother and my father.It was only me that is alive now and i managed to
make my way to near by country Senegal where i am leaving now.I would like to know more about you.Your likes and dislikes,
your hobbies and what you aredoing presently my hobbies are reading whaching music vidios going to
beach with friends visiting a place like zoo and doing every otherthing that gives joy and happiness.I will tell more about myself in my next mail.
Attached here is my picture.
Hoping to hear from you soonest.
My caring friend,
How are you today?.
I believe you are doing well.
But it would have been better with me on your side.
My dear thing are very bad for me here in the refugee camp
where i am living today.
I was first year student in the university studing law before the ungly
incident that killed my parents that put me in this horrible place i found
This place is like a prison as we are only allowed to go out on mondays
and friday of the week as given by the united nations camp rules and regulation
here in Senegal.
I thank God for the pastor of christ the king church located in the camp where i send and recieve emails and his name is Pastor Francies John and he just like a father to me as i became close to him during one of his visitation to the clinc when i was sick.
You can call me in his office with this number +221-373-95-91 so that i can talk with you,when you call please tell him that you want to speak with me so that he can send for me from the females hostel to talk with you.
My dear i will like you to help me come over to meet with you in your country for a better life as my health is going down daily here due to the poor condiction of the camp where i am living.
My dear please there one other thing i will like you to do for me as i need some body who will assist me due to my refugee status here in Senegal.
Before the death of my father in 2004,he deposted a sum of 2.7 millon dollars in leading bank in Europe which my name appears as the next of kin.
Already i have informed the bank about my plans to claim this money but the bank told me to look for a foreign partner who will assist me in the claim due to my refugee status here in Senegal.
As a refugee i dont have a direct claim over the money but can only have it through an appointed representative.
Please my dear i will like you to help me in claiming this money so that i can come over to meet with you for a better life.
My dear i will like to know your willingness to assist me in this claim so that i can give you
the full contact of the bank in Europe for you to contact them for verification and confirmation.
I will however i apprecaited if you can call me with this telephone number
+221-373-95-91 in the church office located in the refugee camp so that i can tell you more about what i am going through.
When you call,please tell Rev Francies John that you want to speak with me so that he will send for me from the females hostel to talk with you.
God bless you as you help me out from here,
Your love Maryjen.
My dear, It's mine pleasure to know how you are doing today?.I believe all is well with you.As for me iam doing well and i felt very happy reading your mail as i will like to come over to meet with you immediately after the transsfer of my money to your position for a
better life. My dear i prayed and fasted when i got your contact before it was revealed to me by God that you are the right man for me who will love and cherish me without minding our colour difference. My dear i want to come over to meet with you for the rest of my life as i have seen that you are the right man for me and i will like you to help me in the transfer of my 2.7 million dollars so that you can send me some money to prepare my travling document to come over to meet with you for a better life.Honey i loved you so much and i can't wait to meet with you for the rest of my life and iam looking towards that lovely day when i will be meeting with you for the rest of my life after the transfer of my money to your position so that you can send me some money to prepare my traveling documents to meet with you for a better life. My dear please i will like you to send an email to the bank today about the
possible transfer of my 2.7 million dollars deposited at TRIODOS BANK PLC OF SCOTLAND which my name appears as the next of kin due to my refugee status here in Senegal. I have informed the bank about you and they are waiting for your email so that they can transfer this money to your position for our lovely meeting.Here is the contact information of the bank in Scotland where the money was deposited by my late father is as follows,
TRIODOS BANK PLC OF
SCOTLANDNAME OF THE TRANSFER OFFICER IS MR OLIVER STOCKEN.TELEPHONE NUMBER IS +44-703-183-8419FAX NUMBER +44 709-280-4174
Already i have informed this bank about my intention to claim my late father's deposit of which my name appears as the next of kin. The only thing the bank told me is to look for a foreign partner who will assiat me in the transfer due to my refugee status here in Senegal,as a refugee i am not allowed direct claim of the money but through an appointed representative as the united refugee law governing refugee all over the world states. Based on this information i will like you to send an email to the transfer department of the bank
today with this email address( firstname.lastname@example.org)Attentioned Mr Oliver Stocken the foreign transfer officer of the bank telling him that you are my representative and that you want to assist me transfer my 2.7 million dollars deposited by late father of which iam the next of kin after which you call me on phone today.
THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION ARE AS FOLLOWS.ACCOUNT NAME IS DR KINGSLEY OTI AMOUNT 2.7 MILLION DOLLARS. NEXT OF KIN MISS MARYJEN OTI
ACCOUNT NUMBER 87423006
God bless you as you do this today, Your Maryjen
Keywords: blonde red pink skirt and top wooden door
anonymous from United States
anonymous from United States
anonymous from Sweden
aha..this is another face of Oksana Orlova. One another thread a Russian scammer has posted saying she's innocent! what a joke
anonymous from United States
To anonymous in Sweden. At first she seemed sweet and sincere. But when she said her job was taking her to Afruca that is when I started to get suspicious. At least 'she' or they didn't get any money out of me. I've dealt with Russian and Nigerian scammers before. Been down the same road time and time again. Different stories but same old bullshit. I tried unsuccessfully to upload her photos, but you can check her profile out at www.faceparty.com/jennyconnor. She's a blonde at a slender 5'6. I'm just trying to warn other men not to fall for her.
anonymous from Netherlands
thanks for your information from holland
I get 4 letters from russia (Kazan) from Tatiana,she was so beautiful
This is the end of a dream ,but thanks anyway This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Tatyana Zajtseva
email@example.com from Terneuzen, Netherlands
anonymous from Germany
You mother fucker put under questions all kind of e-mails?all dependent is from the men,if men want to find women,he has to be very carefull.women is women,men have to fight for the privilage of love,IN THOSE LETTERS I FOUND NOTHING THAT;THIS GIRLS ARE LIERS;AND SCAM?They want to find men?smart men with the eiers,if not? they have to pay and lose!!!!!this is a men life!!!!LOSE OR WON-BUT MEN HAS TO PAY?and all stupid men ,they do,nt trust this,they can find russian women,and can be happy,and do,nt blame women? only yourself,you stupid men?and in the end I found your agency as really scam?Because you are also from Russia,you send shit against your own women to american or Western men,and in the End of you fucking talking against your own country men,and women!!!!You ask american people,or German men???pay for this?pay for this?or pay for something else. You all the same SB,even worse.
Some West people has to have criminal mind!!!!to understand russian crimminal mind?
But this is easy,very easy???all of you are Russian people?And you do,nt realize!!!that some Russians,learned very good Western thinking they are more smart as whole stupid russian crimminals-Wich they call yourself Russian Maffia;but existiert not Russian Maffias,Exist only Italian Mafia on which they fight for to take control from 3 smart men in this fucking democratic world,??BETTER YOU SB DO;NT ASK FOR MONEY?ON ADVANTAGE do,nt PUT DOWN THOSE LITTLE RUSSIAN GIRLS;YOU ARE SIMPLE STUPID?and you prey more as those little Russian girls what they want to run to the West?Because those girls hate you as native people?and in the end for little money?want to run away from this fucking Russian,and stupid country.They want to be free!!!
anonymous from Germany
I told you once?you are more fucking thiefs as this little girl?she lost?because you all stupid Russian detectives and criminals,put under question her sincerelity,you interfere in her e.mails!!She doe,s,nt know this,she paid for your fucking russian internet cards,you son of the biches stole her e-mail name,wrote fals letters,to steal money from the Western men?and in the End you call this girl scam?YOU offer me help,and tell pay for this?pay for this? or pay for something else:
bUT IN THE ENDßTHIS GIRLS SHE LOST WESTERN BETTER LIFE;AND YOU FUCKING DETECTIVES ARE MORE THIEFES;AND SCAMS AS THIS GIRL????
GO TO THE HELL FUCKING SB WITH YOUR STUPID SO CALL RUSSIAN MAFIA MIND?
I told you earlier this exist only one MAFIA ITALLIAN?
anonymous from South Africa
These women or (maybe they are men, sending these emails), soyou can be scammed out of your money.
DONT SENT THEM ANY MONEY. YOUR MONEY AND YOUR 'GIRL' WILL SOON DISSAPEAR.
You know the saying: ' A fool and his money are soon parted'
So, dont be the fool
anonymous from South Africa
I wonder where all these Models come from?
I wanna go visit them...........lol
anonymous from South Africa
I tried to call the number in Senegal,and it dont go through, i doubt it ever will ring
You can find other sites with 'Naughtygirlsandy' by clicking her pic on sologals.
She IS naughty! lol
SO! That should prove that the post above from 'Germany' is most likely a vlad !
There's knock on your door, and an unfamiliar sexy voice calls your first-name. A peek, and there's an unknown hot girl. The inexperienced would open the door, rushing to unzip the wallet. The experienced would first ask 'who's it?', for he thinks it could be a tax collector.