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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-08-31, 16:34:03
'S' from United States  
Thnx E,I was getting frustrated yesterday with all the new post's with little or no info!


SNT...
2007-09-01, 07:50:06
anonymous from Bermuda  
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Yes, I noticed that a friend of mine was contacted by Evgenija just this week. I am not sure if he has sent her money as yet. Hopefully not but I will wait to see ...if so he deserves it for fooling around with such sites. He is a married man.
2007-09-01, 07:56:05
anonymous from United States  
Anon US,Since the previous page has other girl's pic's added the one's you newly posted should be labeled.ie;name and addy.Do it under the pic's and hit 'update'it's easy and limit's confusion! They do look like 'Anna'
2007-09-01, 08:37:43
O from United States  
For those who are new and interested:

1) delphi page appears to refresh every hour, on the hour
2) If you start editing your post submitted just before the refresh, and update after the refresh, you could be joining the club of duplicate posters
3) The edit button on new posts seems to have a life-span of less than 60 minutes.
2007-09-01, 15:49:55   (updated: 2007-09-01, 16:44:30)
Eddie from Sweden  
Skeet...sorry if my posts can be a bit repetitive but as soon as I see a newbie on a thread asking questions, I try and post some general info.

anonymous from United States 2007-08-31, 17:29:23

Yes, lots of guys most certainly DO fall for these scams, which is why the scammers keeping scamming, and why guys come to this site every day for info. Often they have already been scammed before they find us.

I'd also like to know....what makes you think that the person who is writing to you is a scammer?
2007-09-01, 16:24:49
chrisabauer@hotmail.com from Seattle, United States  
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Just to reiterate and emphasize what's already been said: If a foreign woman contacts you seemingly out of the blue, and not directly in response to your ad or profile on a web site, then it's a scam! An obvious clue is if 'she' uses a generic salutation rather than the name you provided the web site. Also, even if 'her' letter seems to be in response to your profile on a specific web site, still be careful. I've met legitimate women through a couple different sites (but even 'legit' sites are used by scammers, though the majority of women on well-established sites are not scammers), but it was I who made the first contact. A serious woman on a site like this waits until a man contacts her; she likes to know that the man chose her from among all of the available women. Just use common sense, keep grounded in reality and use the only one of your 2 heads that has a brain.
2007-09-01, 17:13:45
Eddie from Sweden  
chrisabauer@hotmail.com from Seattle, United States

Exactly right Chris! good advice.

I met about 10 or so confirmed real Russian/Ukrainian women on 3 different (pay) dating websites between June 2005 and June 2006, one of them a Russian website, and corresponded with 5 of the women for a longer period. 2 of them also visited me in Sweden (on different occasions :)), and I have met up with 3 of them in Russia on two separate trips. One of them is now my fiancée and has her residency interview at the Swedish embassy on October 3. I hope it goes well.

Of those 10 or so (confirmed) real women, none of them contacted me first, all but one had children and were also looking for a father for their children as well as a husband, none of them asked me for money...all were actually reluctant to accept money from me, although I was of course expected to pay for the ones I invited to Sweden and met up with in Russia as any 'gentleman' would :)))...all but one of them had jobs, ie not a lot of time to correspond, so their letters were rather short. I even wrote to a couple in Russian to make it easier for them to write back to me. All of the 5 I had serious contact with had cellphones and 3 had computers/internet as well. All of them were in their late 20s to late 30s, attractive and respectable, but certainly not as hot as some of the pics on this site. And none of them wrote about how terrible their lives were, or how terrible Russian men are, in fact they were all quite proud Russian women, and only one of them was especially keen to leave Russia in the first place. She now lives in the US and I still have contact with her.

So all the general info I have posted on this site is gleaned from personal experience, as well as the experience of others.

And in the meantime I have had literally hundreds of mails from scammers, all but one of them completely transparent. I would, however, probably find a 'professional dater' quite hard to spot at first.

Keep it real!!
2007-09-01, 21:37:33
anonymous  
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Hey, folks; I recieved the same letter as above from Ljudmila Derewskowa, along with the photo of the girl in pink. Same everything, same email letter. I have a brother who went through all the emails and photos to the point where he was asked for money to be sent for help with a visa or something, so I knew as soon as the first email came. I don't know why, but just had to humor myself for a couple of letters. Then out of curiosity, typed in Permskaja Region on search, and found this page. Imagine that! I probably won't pursue tracking email address or anything. But this site ought to be published somewhere that it might get more activity. good luck, people!
2007-09-02, 00:30:29
siddiq.007@hotmail.com from Dubai, United Arab Emirates  
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2007-09-02, 20:40:38
anonymous from United States  
how can I tell if this passport is fake?


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2007-09-02, 20:42:06
anonymous from United States  
'visa' for the passport


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2007-09-03, 09:48:22
anonymous from United States  
she uses this email as slapka777@gmail.com which is identical to others I saw on this web site
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer MARIA B



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2007-09-03, 14:04:22
anonymous from United States  
E, 2007-09-01, 15:49:55 (updated: 2007-09-01, 16:44:30)

''I'd also like to know....what makes you think that the person who is writing to you is a scammer?''

Sverige Bhai, thanks for an opportunity to sharpen my response, and I speak for MYSELF ALONE!

1) In majority of cases a proof is based on overwhelming evidence (i.e., just tip the scale to one side)
2) In more serious cases the criterian is - beyond a reasonable doubt
3) Personally, my discipline requires - beyond ANY doubt

It takes a lot to become ''my scammer'' - I don't use this phrase loosely. I never post my suspects prematurely, despite my rage.

1) Perm and Louisville, Kentucky (my former state) are sister cities, there are regular excahange visits between these local government officials, and their sycophants

2) Elena Solodovnikova was cited for driving the wrong way on a one way street in Perm. Her first name, last name, pictures are all her own, at the time of scamming me. Ergo it is she herself (no quotes) my scammer

I reiterate, I speak for myself alone, this scammer alone in this post, and I love to be challenged by my respected partner!
2007-09-03, 14:16:15
'S' from United States  
What made you think it bothered me E? We both do the same thing! So NO,it's doesn't! We might BE repetitive but it's necessary at times!

SNT...
2007-09-03, 15:08:19
anonymous from Sweden  
anonymous 2007-09-01, 21:37:33

Better not to publicize this site too much or more scammers wil find it.

OJAS, I just wondered what evidence the USA poster had before he posted the girl's pics. He didn't give any information. Her pics look relatively kosher in this case. Some guys post a girl's pics and ask 'is this girl a scammer?', which is a little unfair on the girl if sh'e innocent. Most antiscam websites won't post pics and info without evidence of scamming, the money letter etcetc....because technically it's illegal (defamation of character).

If it was you posting the scam, then this obviously doesn't apply. I get very confused when people don't sign their posts.

Skeet...no problem dude.
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