Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Natalya has been very busy!!!!!!!!!! She and I have exchanged 6-7 letters each and every time she sends a photo. I have sent her a few photos of myself. Have you? Does this sound familiar? ' Big to you your fine image. 'I see that you very much like me' After viewing this web-site I see that Natalya has been sending all of us the same pictures. She is doing a blanket search and is definitely looking for a husband. That is her plan 'A'. Plan 'B' is to see if she can get you to get all excited and see if you are dumb enough to buy into her scam. If you don't want to be her husband then she wants to , at least, get a chunk of $$$$$$$$ from you. DON'T SEND HER ANY MONEY!!!!!!!!!! Let's continue to get the word out on this scammer! rjs1964
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anonymous from United States
Natalya has given me her last name. It is Kiseleva. Her whole name is, as she states, is Natalya Kiseleva. I received my first mailing from her on 6-18-06. We have exchanged a few letters and she never answers me if I ask her a specific question. I have asked her 3 seperate times 'How tall are you'? and she won't tell me. This definitely tells me that all her letters are FORM letters. DON'T SEND HER ANY MONEY. SHE WILL JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY AND LAUGH HER WAY TO THE BANK. SHE WILL, I,M SURE,JUST GIVE YOU SOME DUMB EXCUSE AT HOW SHE ISN,T GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO AMERICA TO SEE YOU. Guys, let's be together on this. Who has more brains, Russian women or American guys? ENOUGH SAID. This image was also posted here: Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
anonymous from United States
From 'THE INFORMER'
What if 'the Subject' after a lengthy correspondence with you; sends you a letter and says her Uncle is paying her way, and she must follow her heart and the opportunity may not present itself again, tells me that it is a gift to me and us! She will meet me in another country??? (CANADA)
Then, with me copy and pasting visa requirements to the US and CANADA which is where she asked if I could me her at first. CANADA has the same visa entry requirements as the USA and I said I will find another country without said requirements Barbados, Barbuda (sp) etc etc... There are a few in the Carribean and I would prefer to meet her in a resort/beach setting anyway, more romantic. Sorry, any Canadians if I offended you. I am a beach person anyway and not a cabin/mountains person. Besides, I cannot think of a better way to spend more time in less clothes :)~
Here are the letters anyway - you'll be the 'judge'
Greetings my love xxx
How are you doing?
Today I want to try any your mood to do even better. This morning I did not go
in my work because this morning I flied to my work. And all because I want to
ask holiday. All because I want to arrive to you and to meet you very much! My
uncle is ready to help me and ready to take all charges on. I know, that you did
not expect, that I shall tell all this. But not probably to wait eternally. But
actually nobody knows that waits for us tomorrow.
Probably such opportunity will not be submitted more
I hope, what you divide my feelings and my desires? It - everything, that I want
now. I have addressed to travel agency. I have asked, as for a long time time it
will be take to receive the visa, if to use a full package of service. They have
gave the answer that one week will be approximately required. Probably 2 weeks
if there will be a few troubles.
With belief and with hope that you want to meet me. I really want to give you a
gift - ours a meeting though I am not confident, whether you want to meet really
me. You can
Imagine, what if all will be good, in two weeks we can meet? If it would happen,
there will be it as a gift for you? There would be you happy if we could spend
some weeks together? I have wild desire to meet you, to cover you. I have opened
to you the heart and soul. I speak that I feel. I am not confused with mine of
feeling. I speak directly and openly. The loneliness has made me brave. You can
think, that I hasten events. But I have found new feeling which never had. I am
happy right now. I should use this opportunity. In my heart never there was such
belief and feeling. And I Ám, afraid to lose it. There can be I hasten events,
but I am afraid, that everyone will be finished and lost in Internet, and then I
shall go mad. I hope, that your feelings to me have not changed after that. But
I want to see you and to calm my tortured heart a little.
Tell to me please, you can meet me?
Tell to me please, you will be pleased to meet me?
You will be pleased, if I shall arrive to you?
And I sincerely hope, that you would be happy
To meet me. You would be happy? I with shivering heart shall wait
Your answer I love you and I want you very much, and I do not want to
Lose this feeling
For ever yours xxxx
-REPLY to my copying visa reqirements and sending it to her'
My love xxxx
I looked all that you have written and I see only one way to have our future. It
is necessary to us at first will meet in other country before to me will give
out the visa of the bride. If I shall come to Canada you can arrive?
Give me the answer please as soon as possible.
'IS THIS GIRL SCAMMING ME?'
anonymous from Germany
you are being scammed, no doubt!
The only way for a man to find out if a relationship really works is to meet the girl in Russia. Then you can think about getting her out of her rotten country by marriage.
All other roads are closed!
It's hard for any Russian woman to get a visa for Western Europe, let alone the USA. I should know, because I'm sometimes on the phone to a real Russian woman who lives in Moscow and I asked her specifically about how to obtain a visa.
Don't send any money!
anonymous from United States
think its kiselyeva see her picture or so its says on anti scam.org
see her pic and others comments left by the scammed and almost scammed.
she has another name now also
anonymous from United States
I THINK THIS COULD BE A SCM , SHE STATES SHE IS COMING TO THE US BUT SHE HAS NOT ASK FOR MONEY YET.....
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THE INFORMER from United States
To the anonymous comment above who is in correspondence with a real Russian woman,
Is your pen pal with an official govt. agency and know about the visa process?
I have checked and there are a few countries that do not require a visa for entry and can obtain one at the airport. (for a fee) Thailand I know about and several others in the Carribean if I am not mistaken. I have travelled the world extensively and have been to Russia in 1977 and also Thailand. I will paste information here later this evening. It is possible to meet in 3rd country if I am not mistaken.
I will also write to the Russian consulate to see. I asked her to inquire at the travel agency where she is dealing with and I am doing my own research and efforts.
Thanks for the reply and I hope the information your pen pal gave you was incorrect.
Hi my fine xxxx!!! How you today lovely??? I was very glad to receive again
from you the letter. My love I do not understand, in what country there is you
Carribean. Explain for me it is required more precisely how there to go and that
for me it. I have already prepared all necessary documents, that is have passed
physical examination, as necessary information which can be demanded. At me all
is simply wonderful. Yesterday I to meet the the uncle and we for a long time
enough talked to it. My uncle to me has told, that tomorrow his partners on
business should transfer on his credit card of money. After that, my uncle will
remove this money and at once to call to me. Then we shall meet it, and it to
give me the necessary sum of money that I could arrive to you my love. Lovely
you cannot simply present yourself as I am happy!!!!! Please write to me as soon
as possible. Your love xxxx
anonymous from Germany
you are right, Russians can get to some countries without a visa, e.g. Ukraine, Bulgaria, Belarus, Cuba (I think) ...
But if they want to travel to Western Europe or the USA they have to go to the embassy of the country they want to travel to, which is usually in Moscow (in some cases in a different city).
By the way, there are plenty of sites on the web to check it out for yourself. Always best to check official sites, of course.
Best of luck!
Don't send any money before you know her personally!!!
anonymous from United States
Thanks there anon.
I finally got the hook - or attempt to....
Yet, another feeble attempt after a lenghty correspondence...
Seems her English just got a whole lot better, MORE importantly -
my wallet learned better too!!!
See if you can make heads of tails of this?
'You be the JUDGE'
Greetings my love xxxx!!! How mood? Last night I was called by my uncle and has
told, that we need to meet. When I have come to it to office and we for a long
time enough talked to it. At mine the uncle the business. Also he has partners
in America with which it works. My uncle has explained to me, that his partners
have transferred it of money from America to a credit card. But there was a big
trouble. Now I shall try to explain to you all. I hope, that you me will
understand and necessarily the help. When my uncle has gone to remove money from
the machine have stolen all documents. In the same place there was a credit card
on which have transferred money from America. My uncle has received this credit
card inšš Bank of America '. This service refers to MBNA.. it went specially
there and legalized all necessary papers. For the beginning I to the uncle will
need to restore the Russian passport, then to receive the visa and all necessary
documents to fly again to America and to rediscover a credit card. As you
understand it a lot of time demands. Therefore I have to you request. I hope,
that you me will understand also the help to mine the uncle. Now only on you
will depend as be fast we can together. Lovely it is necessary for you to open a
credit card with online access inšš Bank of America '. This service refers to
MBNA. (if you do not want to go in bank you can descend on a site and look to
the address www.mbna.com). You do not need to enlist on a card of any money.
Even if you already have such card I does not want, that you to allow to me its
data as on it there can be your money, and I do not want that you worried for
them. Therefore it will be better, if you will open a new credit card with
online access. Then on this credit card to you partners of mine the uncle will
translate money. You will not need to bring on this credit card of any money.
You simply to open a credit card and to send to me login and password. It is
necessary that partners of mine the uncle without problems could transfer you of
money. After to you to transfer money, I shall write at once to you the letter
or to call and you without any problems to go and remove this money with credit
a card in any cash dispenser. You understand me lovely??? After you to remove
money, you to send them through moneygram or the western union on my data. After
I to receive money, I at once to continue registration the visa. Then I buy
tickets and I take off to Carribean. I very much hope for you. I want, that you
have understood, that I try only for the sake of our meeting with you. I love
you all heart. Your love for ever Elena!!!!
'THE INFORMER' - I finally revealed her name and now...
For her picture