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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-11-20, 22:43:51
anonymous from United States  
2007-11-21, 04:06:27
anonymous from United States  
To the Anonymus person who posted recogizing Elizaveta, could you tell me what thread the pictues of her are in? The picture scanner does not recognize them. She has not asked me for any money.

For: the person with pictures of Irina Nadezhda, the hair color is not significant, but the nose and chin appear different. Unless she has had plastic surgery, thewy are unlikely to be the same person.

Here is another Elizaveta picture.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Inna



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2007-11-21, 04:08:49
anonymous from United States  
Now the question is, is Elizaveta showing too much skin in these pictures to be a respectable Russian girl?


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2007-11-21, 06:25:42
Eddie from Sweden  
IFR...hahaha...not a dog really. I'm a nice guy. I've been to Russia twice in the last eyar and I've sponsored two girls to visit me here in Stockholm. (How many dates have you had in your lifetime :D) - The first now lives in the US and calls me from time to time. The other is now my fiancée. She had her residency interview last month at the Swedish embassy in Moscow last month and I'm waiting to be called for mine at immigration any time now.

Sadly, what you've posted about Russia is generally incorrect.

Elizaveta guy from USA...FOR FUCK'S SAKE, READ MY POST!!!. These are very obvious scammer pics. The scammer obviously thinks you're going to fall for Paris Hiltonski!
2007-11-21, 10:28:52
OJAS from United States  
Logon to http://www.delphifa..scams.htm
From the Edit menu find Elizaveta. Compare for example the groove from her left nostril to to her lip. I don't claim anything one way or the other.
2007-11-21, 12:54:52
OJAS from United States  
Newcomers - Please click on the Welcome link and make informed posts http://www.delphifa..122#62019

Frequently Asked Information - Visa - News - E-mail - Translator - More FAQ ... http://www.delphifa..p=17#62230
2007-11-21, 16:03:27
anonymous from United States  
enough fireworks already, please
2007-11-22, 07:22:55
anonymous from Italy  
mamma mia
2007-11-22, 10:07:47
anonymous from United States  
this is the letter I recieved from a scam, i hope you don't have to deal this kind of people...




Hello!!! It was very nice to receive a message from you!it is my first time I try to correspondence with man in internet world.I do hope you will be enough patient to understand my writing.I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I don`t havebig secrets. The thing is that I will work abroad for three months or so and I wouldlike to meet a nice man to be my guideor just be good friend to spend time with.I think that it ishard enough to live in foreign town without friends and also I have never been abroad. I am from so smalltown here in Rusian Federation,I am afraid to be lost.I want to see real life and it is impossible to see withoutperson who knows all sides of the life. It doesn`t matter what age ishe or what is his eyes color, I just want to know that he is kind and open-hearted inside.I don't want to live in Rusian Federation because I have not any chances here,itis hardly possible to explain it by the first time but I want you toknow my plans. In Ru ssia many young girls also want to start a new life abroad, somany of them used a special program 'W ork and travel' for young people who wants towork abroad. I also decided to do so and to use it. This program just helps toregister documents and gives suitable work in any state(town)of USA, Canada or Europa (or other bigcountry) . I just need to choose.I already started to registerdocuments and now I need to decide in which city I want to work.I`m 25 years old and I`m not afraid of work (I shall work as the seller in shop or cafe of a fast food).I think it is the right way for me, I am lost here, and I think that I look pretty enoughto find a better place. I never been abroad so I decided to find a friend abroad and make hiscity to be my destination. I want to repeat the same way,it is my only chance to change my life.I am full of plans and different dreams.I fair-haired and I have grey-blue eyes. I think I look very good, butfirst of all I want to be beautiful inside.I do hope that you will be not disappointed to meet me in the reallife if we will meet.Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.I will leave my town in a few days or so (I can't tell you everythingexactly right now) and I would like tobe sure that I have a man who waits for me there. I will work all dayand I would like to find a man to spend all free time together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to meet me I will be more than happy to meetyou too. My be it sounds silly but I just don't want to be alone in theevenings,and I want to be sure in advance that somebody waits for me!I think that my e-mail starts to be too long so I will tell you alldetails about me and my life that you would like to know in next e-mails if you will like mypictures and will want to meet me! I send my different photos.On a photos I pose for the girlfriend at her home.By the way, this golubka@yanzex.net is my personal e-mail adress, so pls write me here ok?With best regards Inna (this is my real name)! > thanks for write me, I'm glad you saw my profile I checked your but> it hasn't any picture. My name is Enrique, I'm 28 and I'm living in> Manassas, Virginia, I work in communication doing voice and data installations, I enjoy doing it.> I have yahoo account but I don't usually use it, most all the time I just use hotmail account > I would like to know more about you, I hope we keep in touch by e-mails.> take care!!!> > > >xxxxxx!!


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2007-11-22, 10:08:55
anonymous from United States  



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2007-11-22, 10:13:19
anonymous from United States  
this is the letter I recieved from a scam, i hope you don't have to deal this kind of people...




Hello!!! It was very nice to receive a message from you!it is my first time I try to correspondence with man in internet world.I do hope you will be enough patient to understand my writing.I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I don`t havebig secrets. The thing is that I will work abroad for three months or so and I wouldlike to meet a nice man to be my guideor just be good friend to spend time with.I think that it ishard enough to live in foreign town without friends and also I have never been abroad. I am from so smalltown here in Rusian Federation,I am afraid to be lost.I want to see real life and it is impossible to see withoutperson who knows all sides of the life. It doesn`t matter what age ishe or what is his eyes color, I just want to know that he is kind and open-hearted inside.I don't want to live in Rusian Federation because I have not any chances here,itis hardly possible to explain it by the first time but I want you toknow my plans. In Ru ssia many young girls also want to start a new life abroad, somany of them used a special program 'W ork and travel' for young people who wants towork abroad. I also decided to do so and to use it. This program just helps toregister documents and gives suitable work in any state(town)of USA, Canada or Europa (or other bigcountry) . I just need to choose.I already started to registerdocuments and now I need to decide in which city I want to work.I`m 25 years old and I`m not afraid of work (I shall work as the seller in shop or cafe of a fast food).I think it is the right way for me, I am lost here, and I think that I look pretty enoughto find a better place. I never been abroad so I decided to find a friend abroad and make hiscity to be my destination. I want to repeat the same way,it is my only chance to change my life.I am full of plans and different dreams.I fair-haired and I have grey-blue eyes. I think I look very good, butfirst of all I want to be beautiful inside.I do hope that you will be not disappointed to meet me in the reallife if we will meet.Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.I will leave my town in a few days or so (I can't tell you everythingexactly right now) and I would like tobe sure that I have a man who waits for me there. I will work all dayand I would like to find a man to spend all free time together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to meet me I will be more than happy to meetyou too. My be it sounds silly but I just don't want to be alone in theevenings,and I want to be sure in advance that somebody waits for me!I think that my e-mail starts to be too long so I will tell you alldetails about me and my life that you would like to know in next e-mails if you will like mypictures and will want to meet me! I send my different photos.On a photos I pose for the girlfriend at her home.By the way, this golubka@yanzex.net is my personal e-mail adress, so pls write me here ok?With best regards Inna (this is my real name)! > thanks for write me, I'm glad you saw my profile I checked your but> it hasn't any picture. My name is santigo and I'm living in> , I work in electricity and plumbing installations, I enjoy doing it.> I have yahoo account but I don't usually use it, most all the time I just use hotmail account > I would like to know more about you, I hope we keep in touch by e-mails.> take care!!!> > > >xxxxxx!!
2007-11-24, 02:38:52
anonymous from Jakarta, Indonesia  
Yeah! I have the similar stories, and Uhh! its hurt me I almost fell down by that dirty tricky, thank you! I feel free now


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2007-11-24, 11:17:49
anonymous from Canada  
Hello,sorry for late but i realy didnt have time to write very busy with my work..i am interested to know you better ..who knows ..maibe you are the one.i will send you a pics i didnt make a new..but i will and i send you..send me too..and tell me more about you and your life there..at soon



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2007-11-24, 11:49:36   (updated: 2007-11-24, 11:52:26)
anonymous  
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Hello,
same as above. My girls name is 'Comfidence Oti' Email:commy3oti@yahoo.com.
'she' is from Ghana. I receive exactly the mails, there are described on this page:
http://419.bittenus..LEYOTI.htm
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Scammer Jane Mabou from Ivory Coast, Africa



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2007-11-24, 19:33:35   (updated: 2007-11-24, 19:34:18)
anonymous  
Hello Dearest
How are you today?.
I believe that you are doing well.I am more than happy to read your mail today?
My dear like i told you in my first mail, My name is LAURA KINGSLEY OTI from Ivory Coast in West Africa Presently i am residing in the refugee camp here in Dakar Senegal as a result of the civil war going on in my country. I am 22 years old girl 5'8' tall. .....
My father DR KINGSLEY OTI was the personal adviser to the former head of state(Late Dr Robert Guei) before the rebels attacked our house one early morning and killed him alongside with my mother. It is only me that is alive now and i managed to make my way to a near by country Senegal where i am living now. Please I will like to know more about you.
Your likes and dislikes and what you are doing
presently.I will tell you more about myself in my next mail
Attached here is my pictures.
Waiting for your reply.
Your Love LAURA
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