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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-11-24, 19:35:51
anonymous  
My caring friend,4040
How are you today?.
I believe you are doing well.
But it would have been better with me on your side.
My dear thing are very bad for me here in the refugee camp
where i am living today.
I was first year student in the university studing law before the ungly
incident that killed my parents that put me in this horrible place i
found myself today.
This place is like a prison as we are only allowed to go out on mondays
and friday of the week as given by the united nations camp rules and
regulation here in Senegal.
I thank God for the pastor of christ the king church located in the
camp where i send and recieve emails and his name is Pastor Francies
John
and he just like a father to me as i became close to him during one of
his
visitation to the clinc when i was sick.
You can call me in his office with this number +221-373-95-91 so that
i can talk with you,when you call please tell him that you want to
speak
with
me so that he can send for me from the females hostel to talk with you.
My dear i will like you to help me come over to meet with you in your
country for a better life as my health is going down daily here due to
the poor condiction of the camp where i am living.
My dear please there one other thing i will like you to do for me as i
need some body who will assist me due to my refugee status here in
Senegal.
Before the death of my father in 2004,he deposted a sum of 2.7 millon
dollars in leading bank in Europe which my name appears as the next
of kin.
Already i have informed the bank about my plans to claim this money but
the bank told me to look for a foreign partner who will assist me in
the
claim due to my refugee status here in Senegal.
As a refugee i dont have a direct claim over the money but can only
have it through an appointed representative.
Please my dear i will like you to help me in claiming this money so
that i can come over to meet with you for a better life.
My dear i will like to know your willingness to assist me in this claim
so that i can give your the full contact of the bank in Europe for you
to
contact them for verification and confirmation.
I will however i apprecaited if you can call me with this telephone
number+221-373-95-91 in the church office located in the refugee camp
so
that i can tell you more about what i am going through.
When you call,please tell Rev Francies John that you want to speak with
me so that he will send for me from the females hostel to talk with
you.
God bless you as you help me out from here,
Your love Laura
2007-11-25, 04:32:18
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from Canada 2007-11-24, 11:17:49

how do you know that this woman is a scammer? did you ask for money already? Are you asking for help in confirming that he/she's a scammer?

It's not fair (or legal) to post pics on the site unless you're sure you're dealing with a scammer, and/or enquiring.

2007-11-25, 11:38:26
anonymous from Canada  
Eddie in response to your question 'How do i know she is a scammer'
first of all why would someone send the same letter to numerous people?
Second why would she send different birthday dates to different people ?
Does she not know her own birthday? She is telling me now that she will get a
telephone by Dec 10 so we can talk on the phone so i will let you know.
Anna is also telling me that she will know of the details of her documents to
come to canada by monday or tuesday so i will keep you informed.
No she has not asked for money she is probably an educated person,
she has stated in one of her emails that she is an engineer with an university
degree in interior design. So she is just using the proven AIDA marketing system
Which stands for Attention, Desire Interest Action. So far she has accomplished all
three i am just waiting for the 'Action which is 'Send Money' I was going to send
you the header to her email address but since you don't believe she is a scammer
and may be that georgeous beauty who is just looking for love and a new life
with her new husband in a free democratic society i won't send you the header.
Who knows you may be working with the scammers yourself ' Since you are now
defending her. Don't let her psychological conning strategy fool you.
It is amazing how easily us men can be conned into ruining our lives by the grace
and beauty of a beautiful woman.
2007-11-25, 12:35:39
OJAS from United States  
Canada Please read at least the first link below
You are not the first (I assure won't be the last) to mistake Eddie as scammer-friendly - I had been there myself!

If you search delphi for 3 words interior decorator Anna I'm sure you'll find hits.

It'll be good idea for everyone be mindful of tone, especially ensuring that language does not degenerate. And everyone feel free to air dissent

Newcomers who may not have read - Please click on the Welcome link and make informed posts http://www.delphifa..?p=9#62662

Everyone - Ensure links' information currency - Visa - News - E-mail Header IP - Translator - More FAQ ... http://www.delphifa..p=17#62230
2007-11-25, 13:09:02
anonymous  

This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Ms. Rhoda Addo from Accra, Ghana



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2007-11-25, 13:31:09
OJAS from United States  
Canada ... Continuing (Sorry about my computer problems)
If Eddie is just one individual who may have upset you, there are hundreds of others like me who haven't.

Why would you not want to post full headers for guys like me, also from a free and democratic society, who want to google for as much data as possible and save a hard-earned buck?

Have a nice Sunday! :-)
2007-11-25, 13:58:00   (updated: 2007-11-25, 14:04:20)
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from Canada 2007-11-25, 11:38:26

LOL...please don't be a d***head all your life. Of course, I'm not defending 'her'. In fact if you weren't such a newbie, who obviously hasn't read a single thread on delphifaq before, I'd punch your verbal lights out for even suggesting it.

But at the risk of upsetting you more, I'd just like to remind you that you didn't post any info at all about this 'girl', only her pic.

FYI, this is the 'Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers thread', where guys (mostly) post photos of women and ask for advice on how to identify whether the girl in the pic is a scammer or not. I didn't recognise your girl from any other threads on delphi (and actually don't find her that attractive). If you already knew she was a scammer, why the f*** didn't you post more info about 'her', or better still, start a new thread. Or maybe you have already? -- under the subtle guise of 'anonymous from Canada' -- along with the other thousand or so 'anonymi from Canada' who post on this site.

So I don't know what your problem is, probably you haven't got laid for a few years, but don't take it out on me. It is actually ILLEGAL to post photos of women on anti-scam sites without evidence, so my enquiry was perfectly valid...and in your interests as well as those of delphifaq.

Anyway, I think it's great that you've contributed and thanks for posting the additional info that confirms that this pic is being used by scammers, now please take your attitude somewhere else. Or you could post an apology and stick around, but I'm not holding my breath.

OJAS...sorry. But at least I deleted the swear words.
2007-11-25, 14:08:58
Eddie from Sweden  
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or potential grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/

and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs...s/thebat/

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksa..mers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
# scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
# GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
# writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru..ment.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usemb..=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
2007-11-25, 17:14:23
OJAS from United States  
Newcomer Info is available at the top of the same page where Anon Canada has posted. It is important to read and make informed posts. Anyone has the right to suspect anyone else here. But simple homework can do wonders to allay or confirm your initial doubts. Ask questions freely - Do not make unfounded accusations. I myself prefer to be asked if I am scammer-friendly. Make no mistake about it. In a free democratic society, were the same made as an accusation, it's clear where the burden of proof lay
2007-11-25, 23:09:55
anonymous  
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I'M SORRY BUT NADEZHDA STILL SCAMMING FROM IOSHKAR-OLA, SHE HAS SEND ME 7 LETTER ALL WITH THE SAME PHOTOGRAFIC SECCION. NOW SHE IS KNADIA7878@RAMBLE.RU


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2007-11-26, 01:57:51
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous 2007-11-25, 23:09:55

no need to apologise. thanks for posting the pic!!


2007-11-26, 02:07:17
Eddie from Sweden  
OJAS

....yes I saw you'd posted the info link, as usual. But as I've mentioned before, sometimes newcomers need the info staring them right in their faces....otherwise they post shite about me being 'scammer-friendly'. What I am, in fact, is victim-friendly, which includes 95% of the girls in these pics, as well as the 99.99% of the Russian population who aren't scammers.

And with all due respect to 'free democratic societies', there are still libel laws in cyberspace, and rightly so. With 'free democracy' comes reponsibility, and it's also cowardly to make accusations without identifying yourself.
2007-11-26, 05:34:45
OJAS from United States  
Eddie
Anyone has the right to suspect anyone else. It is however WRONG to make baseless accusations. It's upon the accuser to provide supporting evidence in several free societies. If one needs to bide time for homework, it is possible engage the suspect without calling names, or language degeneracy. Ordinary English is rich enough to carry out heated discussions.

Yes responsibilities accompany rights. One of the responsibilities is a few extra mouse clicks, and make informed posts.

I have no problem with your approach, making information glaring, so the reader doesn't even have to spend a few extra calories with mouse clicks.

My approach with mouse clicks is about a different responsibility in a free scociety - One wipes ones own terminal orifice ... when all one sees is a toilet roll. Once such basic activities have been tried, it's still understandable to seek further help.
2007-11-26, 08:30:25
Eddie from Sweden  
ahaha ..'glaring'? I'd prefer to call it 'visible'. In an ideal world, your more subtle approach would work every time, but you must have noticed that some people post directly after your links completely oblivious to their content. For what's it's worth, I did all my own homework from day one, but have picked a lot of brains on the way.

I'm still at a loss as to why the Canadian guy was upset. He posted a photo but no info at all. My enquiry was 100% valid. On all the respectable dating-scam sites they won't post a photo without a money letter. Seems fair enough to me.

anonymous from United States 2007-11-26, 03:09:40

your message from cameli1980 seems like the sort a real girl would write. What's the problem?

2007-11-26, 09:57:06
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Hey Peter
I need you to check this girl out and please give me as much info as you can!
Her name is Tatyana
here is her picture

Thanks G




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