Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
While English readers are helping you, take advantage of also posting your inquiry in German here http://www.delphifa..602.shtml
Your advantage gets doubled in getting a response
Eddie from Sweden
of course, ....they mostly won't read your letters until after they've sent you the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate lowlifes who can't speak much English anyway. You can write any old dross in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to see if you've taken the bait. Why waste time otherwise?
You'll often get a reply if you write to them in Russian (using a translator, if you like). Make sure the subject line catches the eye. Half of what I know about scamming I got direct from the horses's mouth, in Russian.
Eddie from Sweden
subject line: PLEASE READ THIS - skamerstvo!
Pozhalujsta, ne oskorbl'ajte moj intellekt. Ty ne zhivete v (insert name of city), ty zhivete v Ioshkar-Ola, prestupnyj gorod v Rossii. Ty posylayete mne ukradennyye fotografii i nizkokachestvennyye skopirovannyye pis'ma. Skoro, ty budete prosit' den'gi poluchit' vizu (nevozmozhnyj poluchit' bez pis'mennogo priglasheniya ot men'a i biletov takzhe.)
Poetomu, ya sekonoml'u tas nekotoroye vrem'a. Pojdite ots'uda, chtoby iskat' chestnuyu rabotu, ty neschastnyj zhulik. Ya ne imeyu interes dl'a vashego skamerstvo. Oto'idi, a to jebnu. Idi na khuy!
Hello vile greedy one!
Please don't insult my intelligence. You don't live in (insert name of city), you live in Yoshkar Ola, a criminal city in Russia. You're sending me stolen photos and poor-quality copy letters. Soon, you'll ask me for money to obtain a visa (impossible to obtain without a letter of invitation from me and tickets as well.)
Therefore I'll save you some time. Go from here and seek an honest job, you miserable scammer. I'm not interested in your scam business. Get lost or I'll kick your ass. Fuck you!
Eddie from Sweden
Didi from Germany
your 'girl' is 100% scammer...the Paris Hilton look-alike!
I have been contacted by this girl, Olga Veri, from Moscow.
She lives in Moscow city center but her salary is 350€ per months. Her mother lives in the suburbs and her father is dead. What a sad story!
> Hello, my distant friend! I was not sure that you will answer me, but
> I was mistaken and very much to this is glad. It is new experience for
> me correspondence through Internet - cafe. Somehow there is no in a
> life at me an attitude with men. Probably all business in specificity
> of my trade. As I seem to me from first minutes of acquaintance I
> start to concern prejudicedly to the man and to suspect it not
> absolutely fair attitude to the woman. But very much I hope, that
> correspondence will change my stereotypes. I shall tell fairly, I very
> much wait much from you and your letters, I want to fill in the lonely
> soul pleasure of dialogue and friendship. My name is Olga, me of 27
> years. I live in the city of Moscow, here I and was born. This city
> the biggest in Russia, is capital of our Native land with the huge
> population and a rich history. Moscow is world renowned, I think also
> you heard about my native city. I hope you as well as love a place in
> which live? Write to me please more about that with whom you live,
> about native and close, about a hobby, the work and a trade.
> Inherently I very inquisitive person and new acquaintance promise for
> me a lot of interesting. My trade the psychologist, at me higher
> education, also I work on the speciality in a city polyclinic. Work is
> pleasant to me, but very tiresome employment to work with mentally
> unhealthy people. Complexities of a modern life frequently deprive
> with people of mentally steady condition, they get to us. And my
> problem to help them to find rest and a pacification. My friends and
> familiar count me the sympathetic and sociable person, very much I
> hope, as you so will think of me after will get acquainted to me more.
> It would be desirable to think, that our acquaintance will not break
> also we shall continue to learn each other, I hope, that our
> friendship will not bring disappointments. I wait for your detailed
> letter from a photo, I think, that the photo can tell about the person
> much. All kind! Your Olga.
to find out if she's a scammer, PLEASE do your homework.
This can be done quite easily by reading the BRIGHT RED link further down the page
'Are you being scammed and this is your first visit here?
Read the welcome page/ primer for newbies.'
You'll find all the info you need there, especially in the part that lists typical sign that you're being scammed.
All you have to do is read for 10 minutes, can't be that hard, can it?
anonymous from France
Elle sévit aussi sous le nom de annashoni <email@example.com> et ment dès sa première lettre !
Je suis contente de recevoir tu la lettre aujourd'hui. Le merci bien que tu as
le temps pour cela. J'attendais beaucoup cette lettre.
Je m'inquiete que tu auras le probleme dans la comprehension de ma langue
J'etudiais la langue francaise a l'ecole et a l'universite. Probablement ma
francaise se distingue de tien. :-)
nico dis a moi toi tu peux comprendre ce que j'ecris ? Si tu ne comprends
chose - demande cela. Je ne veux pas avoir une grande barriere de la langue
Je vis effectivement dans la Russie, je vis dans la ville de Tver. Il y a
Des kilometres entre nous, mais j'espere que ce ne sera pas le probleme pour
De nos relations. Je veux dire a tu que je ne suis pas interessee par les hommes
Russie. Certes pour cela il y a une raison. Si je peux te raconter cela d'une
interessante de cela dans la lettre suivant. Je cherche l'amour en dehors de la
Je ne connais pas pourquoi, mais j'ai choisi la France. Je marchais vers la
la recherche des amis, qui dans notre ville. Je remplissais les questionnaires
repondait a certaines questions, et a moi ont dit venir a la societe dans
Hier je marchais la-bas et m'ont montre certains hommes.
M'ont annonce que la conformite avec certains hommes - 95 .
Aussi je t'envoie la photo aujourd'hui. Nico, j'espere que tu aimeras ma
S'il vous plait dis ton opinion sur mes photos. Je serai contente de recevoir
Maintenant je veux dire un peu sur moi-meme. Mon anniversaire le 20
Avril 1979. Ma
croissance de 167 cm, mon poids de 57 kg. Je regarde apres l'apparence. Je
l'aerobic et la culture physique. Cela aide a soutenir la beaute de mon corps.
que chaque jeune fille doit suivre la beaute et c'est tres important pour moi.
Aussi j'ai la vie digne en Russie. J'ai l'appartement et l'automobile. Moi
La jeune fille independante. J'aime le travail. J'aime la vie et les parents.
veux dire a tu que je il suis ordinaire aux jours libres visite les parents et
notre famille vont vers l'eglise.
Je m'interesse effectivement au dialogue avec toi. Je ne communiquais jamais
Par la personne d'un autre pays. Je serai content d'entendre sur toi, sur votre
votre la vie ?
Nico raconte me du terrain, ou tu vis. J'aime visiter culturel
Les institutions de notre ville. Aux jours libres passes moi et mes amies ont
planetarium. C'etait tres sain, nous avions la possibilite d'observer le ciel et
etoiles, aussi nous observions les planetes. J'aimais cela.
Nico , je finis la lettre. J'espere que tu traiteras ma lettre
c'etait interessant pour toi pour m'apprendre, et je ne t'empruntais pas
beaucoup de temps.
S'il vous plait, ecris me . J'attendrai demain ta lettre avec l'impatience.
I am not a Scammer and I dont know who bring this bad story to you , Cause thi has ruin my Marriage with the love of my Heart cause he found out this and this whole things has made my life Diffcult abd Hard right now Cause I have lost everything and I dont know this Heartless person who is Terminating my Image in here Cause I did not scam anyone and I want my Name and Picture to be taking out of here within 24 hours and if there is no Respond i will charge this site to court i just hope you dont want this to Happen cause this has ruin my life
anonymous from Nigeria
My name is tessa Green and I just send a comment about my self I am not a Scammer and I want my Picture and name to be remove out of this this is a warn to this site this is the second comment I am posting in here now and I hope this will be done
IFR from United States
More innocent lives crushed by the unyielding accusations of a few guys who may be duped by criminals using these womens pictures in a scam. When these women lose everything there is only two things left...mopping floors and fucking. My girl was conned...sad but true...
Nigerian scammers posting that they're innocent? What will they think of next?
95% of the girls in these pics are innocent victims themselves, because 95% of THESE PICS HAVE BEEN STOLEN from the internet!
Anyone who's done their homework knows this, and anyone who actually accuses the girls in these pics of being scammers is uneducated and should do some research. Please pardon their ignorance, they obviously don't realize that they're being scammed by men.
HOWEVER this is missing the point, these pics ARE being used and abused by scammers in a conspiracy to defraud....and therefore we have EVERY RIGHT to post them in order to warn unsuspecting victims that these girls are BEING ABUSED BY SCAMMERS! sorry if that inconveniences you.
So 'tessa Green' et al......whether you're innocent or not, your pics are being used by scammers, and we have the right to post them here.
If you don't like it, and can PROVE that you are a genuine person who's not scamming, and that your pics have NEVER been used for scamming, with or without your knowledge....we might think about removing them. Otherwise, get lost!