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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-12-11, 02:00:10
OJAS from United States  
Tony
You are not the first to realize Eddie expresses plainly, makes a good impact ... the reason I requested him to write up the welcome for newbies, my way of a salute.
2007-12-11, 04:22:32
Eddie from Sweden  
Tony

Of course, your approach was sympathetic and appropriate in the circumstances. It could, in fact, be a real girl who's upset that her pics have been posted on an anti-scam site, in which case she has all my sympathy too.

However, it's highly unlikely to be a real girl ...

- what is she doing looking for her pics here in the first place? It sometimes happens that a real girl posts on delphifaq, but the girl is always apologetic and explains that her pics have been stolen by scammers and that she's not responsible for it. Only the scammers post abuse and threaten to sue.

- even if it is a real girl posting, her pics are being used by scammers and need to be posted to warn potential victims.

It's one of the reasons that if a guy (or gal) posts pics of an alleged scammer, I always challenge them to post some evidence, or at least a story that corroborates their allegation....copied letters, spoofed IPs etc. It's a way of avoiding incorrect postings on the site and harming innocents.

Some contributors even get upset when I point this out, but posting without evidence undermines the credibility of our forum. And it's easy to abrogate one's responsibilities when posting anonymously.

All of the serious anti-scam sites won't include a girl's pics without a money letter.

2007-12-11, 10:55:43
OJAS from United States  
Tony
An innocent person is not going to sit quiet watching their identity abused. They may be asking in this case delphi itself how they can persue the perpetrators. They may be reading a more than a few threads to see reactions of fellow-innocents. There possibly are occasional ones, but they will post that their pix are being stolen at least making it difficult for future scammers to use the same pix.

Here may be a typical response when someone discovers they are being abused by scammers http://www.delphifa..p=3#64966

Many delphi posters, being sympathetic to all innocents insist on at least one independent view other their own biases before calling an operation a scam.
2007-12-12, 19:35:53
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leaving a pic, already left a commet on this scammer. Sofia is the name and the email address is sweetberry@giperion.net. Please let me know asap what you find out about this scammer.
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2007-12-13, 00:24:54
anonymous  
The above photo of Sofia, sweetberry@giperion.net has scammed my friend for $3000.00 dollars. The first time she said she was coming and didn't show up she made up a story of her bag being searched, just hers mind you, and she had an Icon that her grandmother had given her. She wrote him two days later and said she was detained by the police and would not be able to get to the U.S. for a couple of days. That turned into a couple of weeks, then 3 months. During this time she said her Grandmother had a heart attack and thanked him for the money he had sent. That right there was just another red flag for me. I began to write to her asking her intentions. Not once did she write me back cause I was writing from my email address not my friends. Not only that she never even mentioned that she received the letters. Why would she, SHE DOES NOT EXIST. I feel so bad for my best friend but am glad he didn't end up at the airport next week and find out she wouldn't be coming.
She recently wrote and said she would be coming on December 17 at 7:30pm. I checked the flight information but all this time she refused to give him a telephone number, address, absolutely nothing. Just letters of I love you, can't wait to be with you.
It sickens me to think that he was approached by this girl on a singles web site and that you just can't trust anyone. I hate that he is hurting now. But at least it's over and we can both put it behind us. I will be addressing this at our local television stations and hope to God that some other person that is in the process of being taken reads this or see's it on T.V. and comes to his senses.
AS I SAID, THIS COMMENT GOES ALONG WITH THE PHOTO OF SOFIA, SWEETBERRY@GIPERION.NET ~ HER PHOTO IS POSTED.
Thank you Eddie for being on top of this. I only wish I would have checked on the email address before my friend sent money 3 times.
SO TO ALL YOU FAT CAT RUSSIAN MEN THAT ARE SITTING IN YOUR LITTLE ROOM FILLED WITH CIGAR SMOKE, I HOPE YOU ALL ROT IN HELL. KARMA WILL COME AROUND AND BITE YOU. THIS I DO KNOW.
IF ANYONE KNOWS ANY MORE ABOUT THIS SCAMMER, SOFIA, PLEASE LEAVE A COMMENT. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE.
THANK YOU,
ADELE
2007-12-13, 05:59:07
rudiwillemse@yahoo.com from South Africa  
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i don't know if she is scamming me.i told her i will come to visit her and she agreed.she told me it will cost 1800$ for her to come here,but she wnts me to come to russia,habarovsk to her.her name is katya.


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2007-12-13, 09:56:33
Eddie from Sweden  
rudiwillemse@yahoo.com from South Africa

there's a high likelihood that she's a scammer, but you haven't left us much info. On the other hand, it's unusual that she would be into the idea of you coming to Russia if 'she' was a scammer.

Please read the...

'Are you being scammed and this is your first visit here?
Read the welcome page/ primer for newbies.'

...link just below this post (bright red, so you can't miss it)

If that doesn't answer your doubts, please repost!

Don't send any money!!
2007-12-13, 12:11:11
OJAS from United States  
Sorry Adele your friend got scammed for 3000
In the post after Eddie mentions is info for scam reporting. Also News of arrests
2007-12-14, 01:16:46
rudiwillemse@yahoo.com from South Africa  
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hi eddie.
how can i check her ip adres??well t o tell u,she actually suggested for me to come and visit her first in habarovsk.she never asked for money,but told me she dont have a mobile fone and can use hes friends one.she answers my questions on the spot.i realy want to have a russian woman,but dont want to be fooled.i dont need that shit.her e mail is friturn@mail.ru and her name is katya.
thanks.
rudi
2007-12-14, 04:50:24
OJAS from United States  
rudi from Sout Africa
In the welcome page/ primer link the post after the introduction has an e-mail section. It shows how to list header for e-mail, IP analysis etc.
2007-12-14, 07:24:39
anonymous from Sweden  
rudiwillemse@yahoo.com from South Africa

Well, she sounds fairly kosher, like she's a real woman anyway, but there are no guarantees in life...and if you visit her in Russia, you might not get on, know what I mean? My fiancée was my second try.

If she can borrow her friend's mobile, that's better than nothing. It's just you should be able to contact her when you want...which you can't if she has to borrow a mobile.

to open the header, I have to know what email provider your're using...hotmail? yahoo?

As OJAS says, there is info about this in the huge amount of info in the welcome page, but if you just post what email provider you use, I can tell you how to do it.
2007-12-14, 08:01:18
anonymous from India  
VIEW PICTURES OF KATRINA KAIF . FOR FULL LENGTH POSTERS OF BOLLYWOOD FILM STARS , VISIT : http://www.freewebs..com/nraja/


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2007-12-14, 08:28:18
anonymous from India  
AYESHA TAKIA POSTER . BOLLYWOOD STAR & ACTRESS . FOR FULL SIZE POSTERS , PLEASE VISIT l http://www.freewebs..com/nraja/


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2007-12-14, 08:31:26
anonymous from India  
AYESHA TAKIA . * BOLLYWOOD STAR & ACTRESS . FOR FULL SIZE POSTERS . PLEASE VISIT : http://www.freewebs..com/nraja/


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2007-12-14, 10:05:32
OJAS from United States  
Anonymous from India
I don't understand the purpose behind these posts. Did any scammer try to use their pix? DO NOT POST about innocent people on this site. If you do, you could be liable for CBI persuit. If you have made a mistake post an apology and request their removal.
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Are you being scammed and this is your first visit here?
Read the welcome page/ primer for newbies.
Thanks to Eddie for writing it up.

Please also read Miss Marple's article about recognizing male dating scammers.

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