Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
I've also been writing to the same person. But her name is Nailya from Republic Irkutskaya oblast and the city
where I live is Bratsk.
So I don't think she is real. I also wrote to her a while as someone else but can't remember the name.
Do you have this photo of her?
anonymous from South Africa
thanx for this u done.i realy appreciate it.im realy serious in looking for a russian woman,but it pisses me off when they scam u.ffs!!
the only thing is,she never asked for any money and said i must come visut her.why will she do this??
3) Tell the boys they have to do better than capitulate in 4 days to the West Indies
Happy Ney Year!
Eddie from Sweden
@ anonymous from South Africa 2007-12-31, 01:26:52
I agree with OJAS. why don't you guys wise up and read the 'Are you being scammed and this is your first visit here?' welcome page/ primer for newbies.
It's standard practice to travel and meet a Russian or Ukrainian girl in her home city. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian women who've emigrated and got murdered or abandoned....ie ffs use your common sense..very few respectable Russian girls in their right mind would risk travelling to visit a complete stranger from the internet without him coming to Russia first.
And I speak from experience. I've been to Russia twice in the past 15 months to meet different Russian girls, my Russian fiancée has also been to visit me in Stockholm, and two weeks ago Swedish immigration granted her permanent residency. She'll be moving here for good in the spring. I also met her on the Internet!
So if you're seriously looking for a Russian girl, my advice is to be generous with her, but not foolish (they wouldn't be interested in a tightwad anyway). Most Russian girls like to be courted. You can find real Russian girls on Elenas models and City of Brides. But don't send her any money until you've met her first, ie travelled to Russia. Send her flowers instead, she'll like that.
If you can't work out if the girl is real or not (even after reading my tips on the newbies page) all you have to do is TRACE HER IP!! Info on how to find and trace an IP is on the newbies' page as well. 95% of scammers use a proxy, a spoofed IP or they're not writing from the place they say they are. The other 5% of scammers are professional gold-diggers and I can't help you with those. Bad luck if you land one.
Eddie from Sweden
IFR from United States
why do you keep posting my name in different contexts? Are you actually referring to me?
'she likes Eddie....calls him artful........'
'Kenny....rhymes with Eddie...i think he knows more than hes telling.......'
Both OJAS and Dirk the Dagger can confirm that I live in Sweden and that my IP address is a Stockholm region cable company called comhem. (not a proxy)
Before 9/11 or post 9/11 is irrelevant, it's always been tricky to emigrate from Russia, especially to the USA. Having said that, it only took 2 months for my fiancée to get permanent residency in Sweden. This is because we could prove quite easily that we had a genuine relationship, with several trips to and from Russia, emails, flowers, interflora receipts.
anonymous from United Kingdom
Further to my recent post I have now found the prospective scammers under the title of Irina Gennadevna Popova from ANGARSK. I have thought about playing them but going into the New Year I can't be bothered to waste my time.
It's a shame the scam exists because many of us guys could offer some of these girls a good quality of life in Western Europe or the USA. Well, it's their loss!
'She' ( or Boris ) asked me what qualities I look for in a woman. I think I will write back and tell them that honesty is one of my favourites!!
Happy New Year to you all, keep spreading the word.
Eddie from Sweden
Hey Rico...I can't blame you for not wanting to waste your time baiting the scammers.
Try this scammer-fuck-you copy mail instead. I've transcribed it from cyrillic so it'll work on any mail system. You might even get an interesting response :))) Attach the clown photo for that subtle added effect.
subject line: PROCHITAJTE ETO, SKAMERSTVO!
Pozhalujsta, ne oskorbl'ajte moj intellekt. Ty ne zhivete v Angharsk, ty zhivete v Ioshkar-Ola, prestupnyj gorod v Rossii. Ty posylayete mne ukradennyye fotografii i nizkokachestvennyye skopirovannyye pis'ma. Skoro, ty budete prosit' den'gi poluchit' vizu (nevozmozhnyj poluchit' bez pis'mennogo priglasheniya ot men'a i biletov takzhe.)
Poetomu, ya sekonoml'u tas nekotoroye vrem'a. Pojdite ots'uda, chtoby iskat' chestnuyu rabotu, ty neschastnyj zhulik. Ya ne imeyu interes dl'a vashego skamerstvo. Oto'idi, a to jebnu. Idi na khuy!
English version (for you only, not the scammer):
subject line: READ THIS, SCAM BUSINESS!
Hello vile greedy one!
Please don't insult my intelligence. You don't live in (name of city), you live in Yoshkar Ola, a criminal city in Russia. You send me stolen photos and poor-quality copy letters. Soon, you'll ask for money to obtain a visa (impossible to obtain without a letter of invitation from me and tickets as well.)
Therefore I will save you some time. Go from here and seek an honest job, you miserable swindler. I'm not interested in your scam business. Get lost or I'll kick your ass. Fuck you!
IFR from United States
Yes i am asking you if you have spoken to her...Vika that is. She had told me that you wanted to pay her passage to Sweden. You are at an an advantage to be living in a Shengen country. I hear they are adding 9 more with passage between these countries easy and most of their resources will be to protect the outside borders. Non member countries will have to pay a heavy price to stay more than the allotted 30 days. US expatriots most likely will be booted or have to live there illegally. Anyway Vika said she had talked to you thats all....i am tired of hearing about skinheads over there and how no one is safe . The family has told me to make out my will before leaving......Privet........Ken
anonymous from United States
WOW CAN ANYONE KNOW WHO THE NEW BABYBOOMER SCMMAER FROM USA SEEM RUSSIA WATCH OUT SHE NEW ON ANY SCREEN NAME SHE TOO STUPID DIDN TKNOW HOW TO SPELL OK GUY
Dirk,Dagger from Heerlen, Netherlands
What are you talking about? All I see is bullshit. Please, give some evidence of that scammer talking to you. And I mean... REAL evidence! Headers, letters, MSN-chats, and so on, and so on. You are just talking and accusing! Let me see it!
You don't have to prove anything. I can't confirm that you are in Sweden. Delphi does that job. The Dagger never (!) checks friends IP's.
Anon USA; She's here. The Natalia Ossiniki-Thread? Try that one. PictureSearch doesn't work in all cases.
Thank you, guys!
IFR from United States
Dirk, Eddie, someones full of bs here. I dont copy the msn chats and im not aware you can. Im not even doing the Emails anymore. This site is the same as the others. More going on behind the site than ever shown. Im just telling you what Vika said. Maybe shes full of it. I dont even know who is scamming who on here. ....
IFR, I am only watching the Vika stories. What I see is that this 'Vika', for sure 'she' is not alone, is one of the most tricky scammers I have ever read about.
On the other hand OJAS can serve you with a long list of thank-you comments, all directed to Eddie!
Your answer is not what I was waiting for. I contribute to this site. I give info. I search for evidence. And I am glad to have some friends (like Eddie) here who help me dig deeper and deeper into this international problem. So... Either you give me evidence of Vika talking to you.. Or... Just don't. I am sure off one thing: The Dagger (that's me) always gives evidence. You are not aware of MSN-chats? Take a tour: Natalia Solce. It's partly in Russian. Excuse...
A new year resolution - ''Won't accuse anyone without providing supporting evidence''
[I never even bothered updating these old charges, whether the links are still current, most should be from my previous ''charge sheet'']
Eddie - You have the right to remain silent or enter Nola contendere plea to these I levelled against you!