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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-02-02, 00:14:48
davdickinson@optusnet.com.au from Australia  

Has anyone seen this girl.....

Alisa Bernikova
Nicks: Alisa Bernikova, Yulia Asak

E-mail: bernikova.alisa@gmail.com

IP address: 195.161.247.24

Mari El scammer, but says she is from 'Kazan'

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Dating scammer Irina Gennadevna Popova from Angarsk, Russia



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2008-02-02, 04:36:52
anonymous from United States  
Now here is a random scam letter that just asrrived out of the blue:

My beloved ,
My name is Pricess, I am a beautiful young black African woman from Africa .
I saw your profile today at and decided to write you . I hope to start a very cordial and lasting friendly relationship with you that will be beneficial to both of us in the nearest future. Feel free to contact me through my private mail box at :
(pricesskoneh@yahoo.com) I will tell you more about myself and also send my pictures to you after receiving your response. I am waiting to read from you the soonest possible.
Yours sincerely,
Pricess
2008-02-02, 08:05:12
OJAS from United States  
Oz newbies on this page, for more info http://www.delphifa..?p=0#72710
2008-02-02, 10:17:38
Peter (Admin) from United States  
Hello everyone. I deleted all posts refering to Kristyn from Australia. If anyone wants to post her again, please submit her as a separate scammer, but please provide some evidence, tell your story etc etc.
It was off-topic here ('Is this Russian girl scamming me?..')

Thank you,
Peter Tiemann
2008-02-02, 13:20:44
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Good post, Peter.

A request to everyone reading this. Please, ignore (and delete) this mail. It's Nigerian, but I suspect it to be from Amsterdam (NL)


Van: Hallmark com
Datum: 2-2-2008 20:18:17
Aan: djvandellen@home.nl
Onderwerp: Hey You've received A Hallmark E-Card!

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Dirk
2008-02-02, 13:45:50
[hidden] from South Africa  
Comments above, about Nailya Kuzina. I'll stand for her. She has been timid because of some serious sexual advances by men. Yes she a sked me for money, and she claimed sexual harrassment at work, so she's jobless, but I'm going the full distance. We have chatted, I've asked her about her scamming, and she has not replied, neither has she replied on the alternative ways I proposed for her to come to SA. Look, ther are plenty of fish in the sea, but I'm certainly not letting go of her, even though she may have intended to scam. There's a jewel in her, and I am after that. Ok, I am a Christian, and there is faith in the Father that He knew before we began chatting what was in her heart. She's the most beautiful woman I ahve seen, and sexy too...pics I won't share, you may have them too...She knows that she is listed. I can't get through on the phone to her anymore, whether you have spoken to her? I don't know, but she's really nice.
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2008-02-02, 14:28:28   (updated: 2008-02-02, 14:30:55)
Peter from Germany  
No probs, South Africa. I guess you are a 22- y-old man so why shouldn't you fall for pics of 16-y-old girl? That's legal - not everywhere but in my country.
2008-02-03, 01:17:02
anonymous from Netherlands  
HaHa I also received a letter from pricess koneh now i only have to look for an
Serahaustin13@yahoo.com, she wrote me an letter too... i don't know how, but they
keep on finding me... Peter
2008-02-03, 10:31:10
Eddie from Sweden  
davdickinson@optusnet.com.au

not a good idea to post your private email addy on the thread!

the pic you're asking about shows up on the Dating scammer Irina Gennadevna Popova from Angarsk, Russia thread (see the link just above the photo) which confirms that these pics are vbeing used by a scammer.
2008-02-03, 14:47:35
OJAS from United States  
dav from Oz follow comments after http://www.delphifa..?p=4#73306
2008-02-03, 15:56:17
[hidden] from United Kingdom  
rating
Hi, I have to say I wish I had found this site long before now, I have just been totally ripped off and all by what seemed a lovely charming girl. Okay call me stupid and yes I did no do my ground work. Most of us here can possibly say the same. Anistasiya From Hor in Russia sent dozens of great photos with a story about needing help to set up in England. All going well until Mother taken ill and needed money to get treatment. You guessed it, I made a transfer and at the time thought how risky it would be $1000 and a further 1500 to arrange her flight and papers. Since then nothing. Call me stupid, perhaps a visit to some of these young ladies would find a single room with a guy taking us all for a ride. Lots of money to be made I am sure. I am going to post this on every ppossible website I can find. Some of us who perhaps need protection need to show these people for what they are.... Thanks for making this site available and keep up the good work.
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2008-02-04, 00:58:17
anonymous from Israel  
You don`t know how the present page helps me,thank a lot
G.J.
2008-02-04, 02:37:43
anonymous from South Africa  
hi
im rudi from south africa.has anyone seen these woman


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2008-02-04, 02:38:48
anonymous from South Africa  
its rudi again.do u know this woman
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2008-02-04, 02:40:45
anonymous from South Africa  
its rudi again.do u know her.


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