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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-02-11, 10:35:23
Eddie from Sweden  
This thread is being flooded by anonymous Aussies with scam pics.

Why don't they sign their posts?
2008-02-11, 14:40:55
Eddie from Sweden  
and why is that Tony?
2008-02-11, 16:49:54
OJAS from United States  
I've been suggesting, just invent an acronym, at least a respondent will have an opportunity to direct a dialog, instead of at anonymous date stamp from country x, etc. When you have an army of anonymous from a country x, and not knowing which one, and you post a general info for a newbie from that country, an oldbie from the same country misunderstands for being patronized.
2008-02-11, 23:38:27
Eddie from Sweden  
aussie Dave...

It's me who started it. no need to post your addie, eh mate, just sign your posts? So we know who the f*** we're talking to. Ta.

And don't be an ocker....please don't call my fiancée a slut.

Say good'day to Boris for me.
2008-02-11, 23:41:02
anonymous from South Africa  
hi,
rudi here from south africa.
can anyone tell me what is the prosedure if a woman from ukrain wants to come to south africa.
thanx
2008-02-12, 04:09:07
Eddie from Sweden  
This is getting out of hand.

Aussies and Americans don't even play cricket against each other.

I was just hoping that regular contributors would sign their posts so we all can tell who we're having a dialogue with.

This doesn't apply to newbies and one-timers.

Can we remember that we're all on the same side?
2008-02-12, 04:13:42   (updated: 2008-02-12, 04:15:33)
Eddie from Sweden  
Rudi from South Africa

You need to phone the South African Embassy in Kiev:
9/2 Velyka Vasylkivska Street
Kyiv
01004
UKRAINE

Tel: + 380 44 287 7172
Tel: + 380 44 287 4451
Tel: + 380 44 287 3789
Tel: + 380 44 287 6322
Fax: + 380 44 289 7206

or you can e-mail the consular section at:
kiev.consular@foreign.gov.za

They don't seem to have a website.

or likewise the South African Honorary Consulate in Odessa:
2, Marazlievskaya Street
App.8, Odessa

Tel: + 380 482 24 2059

E-mail: saconsulate@blacksea.net.ua
2008-02-12, 07:18:27
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Rudi from South Africa,

You asked the same question a few pages ago. I answered it as follows:


Embassy of South Africa in Moscow, Russia
Granatny Per., 1
building 9
Moscow 103102
Russia

Phone: +7 (095) 540 11 77
Fax: +7 (095) 540 11 78

http://www.learn4go...ssies.htm

The email is here http://www.embassie...rica#3140

2008-02-12, 07:24:09
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
2008-02-12, 09:15:24
Eddie from Sweden  
The Dagger...

Ukraine and Russia being different countries, I thought it was more appropriate to post details of the SA Embassy in Ukraine.
2008-02-12, 10:46:34   (updated: 2008-02-12, 10:53:21)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Eddie,

I know. But I believe in informing people. And... The Moscow Embassy of South Africa HAS a website (link is in my comment, Rudi). The rules will not be different. So, Rudi can get all the info he needs.

Tony,

I got your last email, but the link doesn't work. I told you why your mails bounce back to you. Friends!
2008-02-12, 11:18:26
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Tony,

Already gave him the Award. LOL
2008-02-12, 11:34:00
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Back to serious business. I've got a Waiting Room. Some of the inhabitants don't answer (anymore). I can't keep them in there forever!? So, why not post the (little) info I have on them here? Maybe somebody recognizes them (sorry, Tony, all exclusive Russian; The Dagger loves them!).

The first one is easy. No picture. The addie says Hungary. And you won't be able to answer it (bouncer)...

Van: laszlo.polyak@pr.hu
Datum: 11-2-2008 1:23:23
Aan: djvandellen@home.nl
Onderwerp: Hello!!


I would like to learn about you more. My name is Evgenia. I live in Russia, Kazan.
I very lonely woman, and I search for the prince, the realy love, and family.
When you will write to me back, I shall tell more about myself, and I shall send you my photos.
If I have interested you, please write to me on my e-mail: evgenya@lightmailer.com
I hope that I to like you.... And please send to me the photos that I had them here, Ok?
There may be you my prince, and my love... At me serious intentions, and it is possible
we shall find generalideas and desire... I with impatience wait for your answer,
and I hope that my letter do not remain without the answer.
Have good day,
Sincerely Evgenia.
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This mess is upposed to be a picture.

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Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:29:19 +0300
From: <laszlo.polyak@pr.hu>
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Subject: Hello!!
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Hi my lonely heart!!!!! I saw your profil, I am very much interested in you.
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IP 86.60.85.225 = http://www.dnsstuff..60.85.225

2008-02-12, 11:40:16
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Here's one who sent a (blurry) picture...

Van: Elena
Datum: 8-2-2008 15:16:52
Aan: djvandellen@home.nl
Onderwerp: Hello!


Hello! My name is Elena. My age 26. My birthday 11.10.1981 Horoscope
balance. I from Russia. Now I look through the Internet sites of
acquaintances to get acquainted with the man and to begin relations.
On one of sites of acquaintances I saw yours profile. You have very
much interested me. Probably we can have acquaintance and try to begin
relations if you do not object. If you are interested, you can write
to me on mine e-mail: elenochka5@gmail.com Then we can begin
acquaintance and exchange a photo. I hope, that you can send me some
photos of you. If you will answer my letter that I shall send also to
you my photo. I hope, that you will be polite and will answer my
letter. I wait your answer. Elena.

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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:20:10 +0300
From: Elena <elenochka5@gmail.com>
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IP 66.201.113.130 is hijacked http://www.dnsstuff..1.113.130




Keywords:
2008-02-12, 11:46:47
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Another one without pic. As if we don't know how datingsites work...

Van: swetnata@gmail.com
Datum: 6-2-2008 19:50:59
Onderwerp: The admin of a site www.relatieplanet.nl. At you has winked Fiolinka.


Hello!

My name Natasha. Soon my day a birth!
Give me a chance to become your Destiny, believe me
that I can change your life,
because I am Woman, I am passionate, I can give you
love and care and you will forget
about loneliness with me. You may wonder why such
confident and pretty woman looks for
her soul mate into agency! The answer is very
simple,
I used to make the first step
into relations and I want to do it now toward you. I
noticed something special in your
personality and it left me not indifferent. You are
enigma for me and I am going to open
your heart and to become a part of it. I shall send
the photo to you when you will answer
my letter! If you don't mind to feel my care and to
know my love, find me right here My
address of e-mail: swetnata@gmail.com

Looking forward to get a note from you
My address of e-mail: swetnata@gmail.com

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From: 'swetnata@gmail.com'<swetnata@gmail.com>
Subject: The admin of a site www.relatieplanet.nl. At you has winked Fiolinka.
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:00:52 +0600
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If this is true... IP 89.218.240.142 http://www.dnsstuff..8.240.142

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