Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Been playing with this person here. Says she's from Texas but her IP address traces back to Nigeria. Wonder where she got the pictures I was sent.
Thanks for your mail...I want you to know that i was born in Texas.Then when it was 1989 my Mum took me Down to Africa Because is my dad country why my Mum is from Texas.since then i started Living with my Dad & Mum in State .I school At ( Saint Mary's College ) which is very nearest to Office of College....I use 5yrs to school there.Then it was 1999 I gain an Admission to ( Marymount Manhattan College ) About 30 miles to New York...I lost my dad when i was Ten (10).i was born in Texas.My mom moved back to Nigeria when i was 25 with my Brother Richard she went there to settle down and leave a new life.Continue schooling in California At ( Saint Mary's College ) which is very nearest to Office of College....I use 5yrs to school there.Then it was 1999 I gain an Admission to ( Marymount Manhattan College ) About 30 miles to New York...... Well i continue my college..Again degree in ( INTERNATIONAL CERTIFICATE IN CIVIL ENGNEERING )...I want you to know that i love going to Church Several times... The reason why am seeking for someone to date is that my dad told is lawyer that they should not release is Property for me untill i found someone responsible thats why am seeking for some to date...now have finished my studies then am seeking for real man in State which will take good cares of me then which will also be my Dad & Mum and my family.Then which is very Talented and knows how to care about Womans that have Good Behaviours Like ( Trustworthy Open Minded, Good Wills , Good Nature , Good Faith , , Honesty , Caring , Good Obedient , )I lived in Texas,Sherman now ........Due to my Sweet Mommy she lived in africa .
So i will like you to e-mail me more about you and your family to
Hope to hear from you soonest,..My hugs and kiss.
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Deborah Young <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
I am 35 years old and live in Texas. I love music and movies. My favorite music is alternative/new wave/punk mixed with some other stuff. I watch all kinds of movies. I am always reading a book as well. I enjoy going out and being social - dinner, movies, dancing, concerts, festivals, shopping, etc. I love to travel and plan trips with my friends as often as possible. I have a large family including 13 neices and nephews .....Get back to me to my yahoo email Youngdeborah73@yahoo.com Or you can add me to your yahoo i.d if you get yahoo i.d.
Also, other emails are pretty broken language.
Tony from United States
Even after saying I found her IP address lead to Nigeria and not Texas where she said she was now I got this.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Deborah Young <email@example.com> wrote:
I love you.
Since you came into my life,
I've looked forward to each sunrise,
the early morning, with you in my arms,
the midnight skies with us beneath a zillion stars, moves me.
You make me feel like no one else could.
I like the person I am when I'm with you.
You bring out a part of me
that I never knew existed,
a part that was born with our first kiss.
You made me complete;
now I have a reason to try;
now I have a cause,
a reason to believe
in all the wonderful things life has to offer.
You took my hand
and drew me into the light,
and you saw in me all the qualities
that no one else had ever noticed.
You gave me hope, inspiration, pride, and love.
Yes, I love you, for all these reasons
and for so much more.
I love you for being yourself,
and I love you because
of the person you made me.
And I just met her the other day.
anonymous from Australia
I have seen now this russian girl several times and am happy to be convinced that she does not exsist! Though i am now playing her unless she sends me pics of herself, i wont send money if she does not send me pics of herself . I told her money is no problem for me...Dumb ass scammer!
anonymous from United States
These Russians sure have staying power! Ekaterina wrote back to me after I wrote & said I know she is a fraud because the US will not grant her a visa, no way, now how. She is asking me for money to fly her to the US. She told me how sad it made her & she cried when she read my letter. But, if she can't be admitted to the US, what would I be sending her money for?
Hello I Made contact with a Girl from Russia, She do not ask me for money yet but I guess that is a scammer, our comunication match with some aspects of the scammer profile; she doesn´t answer some questions, her pictures are very similar to other pictures, from other scammers, she says that she tihnk of me all days with onlty 3-4 emails between us, I checked in the black list of this forum and another forums and I can not find her...
her name is : Elena Leuhina, Please let me know If someonoe else have comunication with her.
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands
I found one Olga Leuhina, who also uses the name Elena.
Re Elena Leuhina & the rest of them: you guys are in DENIAL! First, ask yourself why would this sweet young thing want to be with a guy old enough to be her father? How handsome & 'cool' are you? Really. Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too painful to accept, and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. These girls start off all sweet & gushy, all too quickly fall in 'love' with you, write a few e-mails of sweet nothings & her dreams of being with you, then lower the boom asking for money for a visa & airfare. Know the immigration rules as they apply to the USA. It ain't happenin', dude. Stop thinking with your dick & wise up. I hope this is helpful. I just went through it & almost let myself get fleeced out of $1350 that a sweet thing wanted. Only trouble is, the girl in the pix most likely was never involved, & the money would have wound up in the hands of a Boris, or Ivan, or Vladimir. Get the picture??
anonymous from South Africa
its rudi from south africa
does any one know this woman
my experience with this girl:same story,differend location,names...too childish to 'bite'money from me!
Hello, I´m anon answering to DIrk about Elena Leuhina, I check the pictures from the other Elena Leuhina and this scammer is diferent that the girl that appear in the links that you send me .
I´ll get all the information as I can and put it in this forum like a new scammer
right now I have correspondence with (2) 'girls' from Russia, I guess that are scammers but nobody ask me for money yet, I´ll get all information about them and put it in these forums.
For me is AMAZING all the persons who make contact with me from Russia, .......I get up my 'profile' looking for new friends in Match.com maybe 2 months ago and until now I receive emails from (7) girls from Russia or west europe countries, 5 of them are scammers who 'fall in love' for me in only two weeks and ask me for money to visit my country ...until now, ..and I´m shure that someone else receive more emails from more and more 'girls/scammers' .......and only because this scam forums I could have information about this 'scam' matter...and the way to do something to stop them.
Right now I made contact with REAL girls from Europe and Southamerica and also girls in my country...and now I can detect more o less easy scammers from real girls.
Thanks for these forums, and all the information about the Scam.
Any particular reason for your post? I think it's spam button time people.
anonymous from United Kingdom
hello there i found the link to your site in the guestbook of nadya 7878 on french site netlog not sure if you have these photos already.
there is a third photo if you invite her to join your friends list.
i thought it strange when i got her message but even stranger when i asked if she spoke english and got practically the same email again in french thats when i found alink to your site in her guest book.
i also found her on lahore.olx.com.pk
hope this is of use to you,keep up the good work.