Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Hey guys I noticed earlier that someone said they haven't seen any emails coming from @gmail.com well I have these two really beautiful babes contacting me, and they both have gmail. One from Nadya that I posted earlier and the second from Diana (I'll add her picture to, her pics have been used before and are in known scammers pages, as OLGA, etc.) claiming to be in England studying, but heading to Moscow in a short while. I actually asked for her real address so we could talk by regular mail and sent eachother pics and things in the mail she said not right now as she would be heading to Moscow soon. The person conducting themselves as her have actually been reading my responses pretty closely as they have responded to some of the tings I've commented on in their emails, and about their pics. The Scammers are getting more personal with their stolen identities, and pics. Watch for the next couple of posts here as I will post Nadya, and Diana pictures and the email info is included below for Nadya.
Hello (MY NAME) How are you? How is your day? I`m fine!
Today was very good day! It was very good weather, the sun shined
brightly. I had nice mood when I went here to get your letter! I was
very glad to see that you remember me and write me a letter! Your
letters are always very interesting and I enjoy reading them! I hope
that our friendship will be long and may be later it will be not only
friendship. Who knows...
Today I`m going to meet with my girl-friend in the evening. She is my
best friend. We work together. Her name is Ann. Sometime we have
supper together or just walking. I think that it`s better to have some
good and real friends that a lot of familiars. I know that I always
can ask Ann to help me and she always gain me. Not so long time ago I
has problems at my home, the crane had broken in my bath. I was alone
at home (my Mum went to her aunt) I don`t know what to do. And I don`t
have phone at home to call the sanitary technician. I ran to her house
(she lives not far from me) and she came with me. Then she called the
sanitary technician and we went to me together. While we wait for his
coming we decided to do something our self. We turned off the crane
and we saw that it was just was littered, we cleaned it and when the
foreman came everything was ok! We laughed together and thought that
we can solve all problems together! Our friendship is very strong and
nothing can`t damage it!
I write you about my life... May be it is not interesting for you! But
I hope it is not so.
It is very a pity to me but I have no in the the Internet of cafe of
any other adaptations for dialogue because here there are only a few
computers!!! It is a unique way of dialogue with you and I hope that
you are not so upset with it???
I have received your photos and they have very much liked me and is
especial children!!! I am very glad that I have got acquainted with
you and we can communicate!!!
Now I`ll go home. I`m very tired today because I had a lot of work.
It`s not very comfortable for me to come to the Internet Cafe after
work. But I so want to get your letter and answer you and it gives me
force. I think it was so convenient to have my own computer at my
home. But it`s only dreams. Sometimes I`m afraid that I use not right
words but I always hope that you understand what I mean.
Hope to see your letter very soon!
All the best!
Yeah, I know what your thinking, YOU SENT HER PICTURES OF YOURSELF AND YOUR KIDS???? Yeah I did, but that was before I knew she might be a fake. Oh well. Maybe some Russian hottie will be scammed like we are and they'll use my pics. DAMN I wish I knew this before, I sent those pictures.
Here is the photo's of Diana and her latest email to me.
Hello my Dear (MY NAME)!!!
Good evening..... it's evening in London. I'm preparing for the
examination. I am nervous a little....... I don't know. And what are
you doing? Yes, now I sat and looked the pictures. I have found some
photos from my life. I have found a photo..... wowwwwww..... it was
the last University party in Estonia. It was cheerful!!! Many of the
students have not sustained, but there is the strongest on that pics!
I'm strong as well....... That evening we have drunk a lot of
champagne, and the life seemed so happy for us..... It was only one
I have found the photo from my travel. This pic I've made when I was
travelled in Denmark. This is very beautiful country too. I still had
many impressions after visiting this country. Especially I have
remembered how we celebrated the Kristi's Birthday. She is the girl
who stands the right side from me. With the left side it's Jeni. I
have got acquainted with them at the excursion, when we went to
museum. They were from Estonia too. And we lived in the same hotel. We
celebrated Birthday in the hotel bar. It was cheerful. We danced
much.... Had fun. It was in 2004. Cheerful time. We then have shown to
everyone how to have fun well. When I have come to my hotel room, my
legs were felt rather bad. But it didn't excite me, because the most
important thing isgood mood!!! I hope that this pics don't scares
Yes, but it's not yet at all!!!! Now please detain your brief.lol I
have found the photo when we were on the beach with Vera. It was
beatiful summer. We were on a beach till the late night. First we
simply sunbathed. We have not mentioned how the evening came to us.
But we didn't wanted to go home. There were some guys at the beach,
not so far from us. They have invited us to them. They have treated us
with beer. We sang songs looking at the fire. Yes....... there is only
memoires from that times. The life does not stands on a place. Now
Vera is in canada with her boyfriend. She has sent me the photo. I
have attached this photo to the letter. Do you like my girlfriend? I
have written to her yesterday, that I have got acquainted with you.
She asked to send her the picture of you. Can I send your pic to her?
The answer 'no' isn't acceptable! lol Because she'll kill me if I
shall not send her your photo. lol Well...... Here is the news in my
life. Yes, I has forgoten. Vera sent regards to you. Now that's all:)
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh......... boringly..... And sadly a little. I hope that
I have not bothered you?!
You are very interesting man. And it is pleasant for me to communicate
with you. Where have you been??? Why we couldn't get acquainted
earlier??? Why in my life there were only ugly creatures? I thought
that normal men isn't present anymore. I was mistaken. Now I have met
normal, beautiful and very sexual man. Each girl dreams of it. And now
I have took the happy lottery ticket! lol
I think, that there is no sense to use regular mail. Already very soon
I shall fly to Russia. I think, that there will be the most correct
way, it is correspondence on mail. What do you think of it?
Ok. Now I'll read a little for my exams...... :( Than - in the shower,
and than I'll go to sleep.
Well.... I'll waiting for your letter. And your photos.
Keep in mind, this girl I haven't sent my picture to, so in my response email I asked her to sent me the picture I sent to here because I want to make sure it is a good picture of me before she sends it to Vera. Vera by the way is now in Canada with a man she met on the internet. Go figure. Anyway, Diana's pictures have been uploaded to another website that is similar to this one. See if anyone recognizes her. I really just wish this was real as I kinda like the attention that Boris, Igor, and Ivan are giving me.
But I don't wish to send money. So when it comes to that I will be blocking them, BTW Nadya and Diana found me on Lavalife.
Her email address email@example.com
D-From,Canada from United States
DIRK I used your advice on both my girls (DIANA, AND NADYA) Nadya's IP traces back to Witchita Kansas USA, looks like farm Country according to Google Earth, and Diana's Traces back to some provincial town in Russia, funny considering she's supposed to be in England right now. Thanks for the tip. I enjoy this its, like spying on a cheating spouse, only we're not married to these hot babes, and according to their emails they want to marry us.
I knew I couldn't trust women, when my wife left me, I should have known these two were no different.
Oh ya another picture of Nadya
anonymous from Australia
Hi Dirk, I have only been on this site for 4 weeks, I wish i had been on it a lot longer but that is now history, as I have been scammed by a russian person, or persons, The point I would like to make is that some, and I repeat, some of these women whose photos appear here are in these scams up to their eyeballs! I have a WIP at the moment at catching one of these cunning bitches and very soon she will be revealed to all but I am doing a reverse scam at the moment so I will keep things secret at the time. The amount of women who are out there flaunting their wares are obviously getting something out of this, wether they are married or single some of them are into these scams. Whether they get a cut of the profits or what ,who knows? Let me say this my friend, they are getting a lot smarter. They now answer most Questions. They now talk about matters you have mentioned in a letter. There are still the classic giveaways, but by hell mate they are learning real fast and a lot of them are starting to use photos of wives,girlfriends,sisters or whatever.Otherwise they are not going to survive. They are changing their tactics my friend and we must be aware of this. You will still have the amateurs who most people will spot immediately. I know I am preaching to someone that has been in this game for sometime but I really think that a lot of these women we are starting to see in these scams know exactly what is going on! Please Dirk tell me if you think this is not so.
Yours Mad Mick.
General opinion here is that nearly all pics are stolen from vkontact.ru, mamba.ru or from starlets' hps. Might be like that.
Our sources for this position are always the statements of the sammers themselves. If I would be a scammer and someone would ask me from where I got my pics what would I reply?
To Anon from senegal, you obviously have come down in the last shower of rain or you are one of the lowlife scammers who have infiltrated this site. Whichever way you do not know what is happenning in the real world! Go back to your grimy little office in Yoshkar Ola or your tree house in Ghana you little sleeze as your comments do not go far on this site!!!
Hello Anonimous from Kuwait...I receive the same picture from a 'girl' named Irina Vochesasova' from yoskar Ola city a few weeks ago......Is a scammer...be carefull, as soon as possible 'she' will ask for money.....