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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-03-18, 12:19:49   (updated: 2008-03-18, 12:25:49)
jaffa from United Kingdom  
thanks Dirk, here was her reply to me meeting her in Moscow..lol
now I'm going to insist on meeting her & ask for a contact number!! i wonder what the next excuse will be?!

Hello *****!
Dear, I do not wish to give you a words of good bye!I am sorry about all the problems with the money!But without your help I will not be able to fly to you.My relatives will no longer be able to help me out.Mama gave me almost all the money that she had to help me out with this journey.If you can not help me, I will be returning to home.But I do not want to be lonely again.I do not want to return home.I do not want to stay in Moscow either.I do not want anyone but you.More than anything else, I would like to continue the trip!I want you! I want you to surround me with your tenderness, warmth and care.I certainly think about the future. I want us to be together.I go to sleep and I wake up together with the thoughts about you.They are not leaving my head.More to that, I’d like to wake up in your arms every day.I’d like to be sure that you really need me now and in the future.I just want to look into your eyes.I want to feel your warm breath.I want to see your smile and know that this smile is for me.I want to be waken up by you rather than some kind of alarm clock.I want to be your sunshine.I want you to warm your hands up in the back pockets of my jeans.I want you to pay me with your kisses for the rental of my jeans pockets.I want to belong to you and. I am yours and you’re mine.I want to believe you and never question anything you say.I want to hear your voice. I want to get to your inner thoughts.I want to be everything you need. I want you to know all these things.I want you to love me.Can’t wait for the moment I board the plane and start my final journey to you.
I am sick without you. Thank you for your letter and kind words!I am looking forward to hearing some good news from you.
Hope you can help me out and give me your support.

Oksana

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Hi Oksana,

Sorry but I do not think I can send you money, I have not even met you yet. Perhaps I should fly to Moscow to meet you then we can fly to the U.K together, I think this will be better and I would like to see Moscow,

write soon,

***** XXX




2008-03-18, 20:51:08   (updated: 2008-03-18, 20:59:11)
anonymous  
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Here is a new one from you guys. She entered into match and suddenly she disappeared. Her mail is AngelPigeonIra@yahoo.com. I looked into google to find her homeplace and I got this page. Thanks guys and here is my contribution to your effort. I will push this bitch to the edge hahaha. Regards and thanks to the makers of this webpage.This bitches are good!!! beware!!


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2008-03-19, 02:33:37
anonymous from United States  
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I've been communicating with a woman named Svetlana from Turino, Russia for about a month now. We have had many emails back & forth, but your info is making me a little skittish. She claims to have strong feelings for me & last email talks in depth about coming to see me & the experience that we would have. I am grateful for your info & don't want to be duped. I have not offerred money, a plane ticket or any financial assistance. I did send her an email explaining your guidelines to meeting here in the USA. If I don't hear from her, then I will know she's a scam. I did google her email & didn't get any definitive scam info. Can you give me any info that will help me not waste my time. Oh, by the way, the investigative website never did email me back as they said they would.


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2008-03-19, 06:52:28
anonymous from United States  
this person is a real fucking idiot ...

Hello my new friend!
I would like to get acquainted with you, and to use to know each other
more better. I shall speak you a little about myself.
My name Olesya! To me of 29 years. As you could guess itself I young
European lady which dreams to get
acquainted with the person of her dream. I live in city Dimitrovgrad
which is in Ulyanovsk area. It is very big city. But to me here very
much to like. Lovely as you see from the first lines of my letter my
written English language not so good, but all familiar speak me that I
talk on much better. Since the childhood very much to like me the
English language. I liked to study unfamiliar words but I never wrote
that, on this I and now normally do not know grammar.
At the moment I work a kindergarten as the tutor. My work very much is
pleasant to me, and besides at us very good collective. Everyone
support each other help a difficult minute. With many colleagues I
communicate even in the free time. I very much like small, but very
good, cheerful and good companies when it is possible to share the
dreams and secrets and to know that you will not ridicule. I very much
love the nature, I like to go to campaigns on the nature with friends.
But I very various person and to list all that I like there will leave
a lot of time. But I shall try shortly to list all basic. I do not
have preferences in meal, on that that I eat basically my mood, but I
when I do not overlook about the figure influences also. I visit
trainings on shaping, some times in a week and sometimes I observe
diets.
To me to like to listen to music, I listen to her all time if there is
an opportunity. As all girls I love flowers. My favourite flower a
daisy. As I various flowers, black tulips very strongly like but in
Russia it is very difficult to find such flowers especially in such
province as at us. And I as all like roses. As I very much like to
walk at night, but I do not make it I am afraid that something to
happen to me. And in general I as a matter of fact an owl.
Dear friend, I with impatience shall look forward to hearing from you.
In the following letters I to you shall tell about that what I want
the man, about the family. Well we shall find a theme about what it is
possible to talk. And now I should tell to you Good-bye.
I wait for the answer!! Olesya



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2008-03-19, 09:44:40
Dirk from Netherlands  
Anon USA (two posts up),

Try the PictureSearch-function below. The girl in that picture is on this site somewhere. Maybe OJAS remembers where (?).

2008-03-19, 14:39:46
OJAS from United States  
Dirk & Anon US http://www.delphifa..?p=0#18229 seems a good start
And the one above anon US, http://www.delphifa..?p=2#58919 seems likewise
2008-03-19, 19:55:16
anonymous from United States  
Mrs. C ; This girl Yuliya who said that she was from Yurino and who is a scammer, without much success from me, is from the city of Krasnodar in the region of Krasnodarskiy Kray. I was able to do a trace on her and the general area post code is: 350063. Her email address is: Lonely_as.wind@yahoo.com. Her internet account is; 215.88.pppoe.mari-el.ru. Be careful guys because she can be very persuasive. No money has been exchanged. Thanks
2008-03-20, 08:45:40
Dirk from Netherlands  
Thanks, OJAS. I knew that iron brain of yours would come up with some links.

2008-03-20, 15:42:11
anonymous  
2008-03-20, 21:02:54
anonymous from United States  
Ekaterina, Katya, Kate from Kozmodemyansk, Russia.. but the IP trace shows the email came from Zagreb in Grad Zagreb 78.0.78.224

Found me on match.com under the name     rioritta@ talkmatch.com and the yahoo addy of katmoly@yahoo.com

must have thought I was pretty stupid. I knew something was up.. played along for a couple emails and then did a couple IP traces. Already wrote back to call their BS and labeled them a scammer.

Sends this pic first.




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2008-03-20, 21:20:35
anonymous from United States  
another pic of Ekaterina...


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2008-03-21, 03:54:25
anonymous from United States  
Yup, recognize her. Kate that writes from KateVelkong@yahoo.com Met on Match.com


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2008-03-21, 08:31:40
anonymous from United States  
^^^^^


well I'm suprised how quickly someone responded to my posting about Ekaterina.


I did a google map IP trace back to the scammers apartment and send a link to say, 'I see you!'

the link had a sattelite view of thier apartment complex in Zagreb LOL!
2008-03-21, 11:15:07
anonymous from United States  
Ya, Kate's story was that her father was a retired military man, mom is a school teacher, had a brother killed ten years ago in a war. Sister talked her into looking for a man on the internet since she found her husband that way and is living in Monaco. She claimed to be an ecological inspector or something. Lots of nice shots. No guys in her town or something? How could she go unnoticed!?
2008-03-21, 11:38:39
anonymous from United States  
Say fellow Ekaterina scamed, I would like to know where you found that IP tool on
Google. I went to Google maps and did not see anything IP-related. I did an IP search on another engine but it is different now. Maybe I used up my free searches. Anyways, this fifi's satellite image looked like a real urban neighborhood just south a couple blocks of P-173 in Yoshkar-ola. About fifty klicks from where this broad claimed to be from.
Sure am grateful for this site!
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