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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.

Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.


    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.

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2008-04-24, 12:50:35
anonymous from Australia  
thanks OJAS for the heads up on the limits
the reply I got for the ten meg of porn

I you do not understand ***** that you send me shallownesses on this nauseating look.You in order?You in general sound person?
That so much for signifies?

oh by the way I don't believe they are laundering their own money but some one else's and I would end up with the debt as they want me to open a bank account into which they would transfer money and I would then forward the money to them via western union

yeah right I came down in the last shower

where is the incentive to do this for a stranger if they were real smart they would offer 50 percent

greed and lust are better persuaders than lust alone

I will send them some heavy metal in self extracting rar with a title of bank details and see what happens :)

will keep you posted

2008-04-24, 13:34:41   (updated: 2008-04-24, 13:39:07)
anonymous from Australia  
couldn't find any death metal on my computer so sent them edge of dawn pray for love

another method I have used and stopped two scammers is I asked them to go to specific locations in their supposed town of residence and have photos taken there

how did I do that ?

google earth

find a photo in a unique location and ask them to have their photo taken there and then to swap places with the person taking the photo then send it to you if they can do that then at least you know they are in that town or very close by if it takes weeks for the photos then they are not in that location or it was photo shopped if it is a highly photo graphed tourist location ask them to pose in a certain way or have certain background features visible in the back ground.

just about every town on the face of the earth has photos of unique features and they are on google earth.

happy snapping

2008-04-24, 15:16:57
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Anyone aware of this young lady? from accra ghana. Is she likely to be a scammer?

2008-04-24, 16:24:46
OJAS from United States  
Thanks Oz mate,
Keep up the good work and post your suggestions.

There are NO white models in Ghana, starving for your hard-earned money!!
2008-04-24, 16:53:19   (updated: 2008-04-24, 17:01:22)
OJAS from United States  
Oz Mate,
If you can post links to very large text files,
Attaching huge text file can be useful, (ONLY copy / paste Pierre's replies as the body of your e-mail) here's how with phase 1:

Scamming cycle consists of phase 1 where scammer does not read your mails
Phase 1 starts with an overture and discussed in
Following the overture is the KLM sequence ... K - Scammer showers Kisses generously; L - Scammer soon declares (HIS!!) Love for you, and the ''girl'' has less and less to wear ... and then ... the Money letter ... This concludes phase 1.

Phase 2 starts with scammer actually reading the mail, sees if victim took the bait, the catwalk to Western Union, and a Grand Finale

Division of Labor: Phase 1 - Scammer runs the show and you are just an actor
Phase 2 - The roles are reversed

Scamming Operation: http://www.delphifa..=54#85400

When you compose a reply (Except Grande Finale) to scammer and save as draft, send it to them at 9 PM (2100 Hours) their time when the reflexes are weak!
Save the Grande Finale for the Boss, 10 AM (1000 Hours) his time
2008-04-24, 21:00:16   (updated: 2008-04-24, 21:01:45)
anonymous from Australia  
Thanks for the suggestions OJAS


the exe file was rejected by gmail as suspicious so will try some thing else but will keep you posted

other things I have discovered

check the header file of the first email received from a woman
if they use the BAT or Voyager email program there is high certainty they are a scammer

the voyager is the usb version of the BAT

I have made contact with real women and not one of them use the BAT or Voyager email program

though that is no guarantee as they could be dating scammer
Dating scammer are real women who entice you to visit them or they entice to you to fund their holiday with you so you spend big on them and they have no intention of ever returning with you or marrying you they just want an all expenses paid holiday
local hookers are cheaper by far if all you are after is sex
also check

2008-04-25, 02:03:21 from Bombay, India  
Hi Please mail me


2008-04-25, 04:58:54
OJAS from United States  
Baiting Tips continued ...
Copy / paste Sudha's post immediately before http://www.delphifa..176#86694
Use it for phase 2 when they read your mail.

Sudha ... If you have more lengthy romantic / erotic passages, or compose more with your wonderful writing skills, post them here, they will be handy for entertaining scammers.

gmail, and many others will not permit sending / receiving run files like exe, com, bat, scr?

First ask computer to dispaly extensions in the View menu. Then delete the extension exe completely, so the file ha no type. You can then send it.

General info the first 4 posts of http://www.delphifa..412.shtml

Newbie Aussie Tour http://www.delphifa..?p=0#72710
2008-04-25, 07:11:24
Peter from Germany  
where did you get the link to here? You are on the wrong site.
2008-04-25, 08:58:16 from Lexington, United States  
I have a girl in Yurino, Russia. She wants me to send money for doucments and air fare to her in Russia. The address she sent to me is: Darya Chernysheva, Yurino, Russia- 612225 Pushkins 25\12. Travel Doucments=$633.00, air ticket $1,200.00 to $1,300.00 US Dollars = $1,933.00. Is the for real or is someone scamming me?
Sincerely, Samuel P. Hendrick
113 Coronado Rd.
West Columbia, South Carolina 29170-3008

2008-04-25, 10:27:59   (updated: 2008-04-25, 10:32:26)
OJAS from United States  
From your writing style, you seem to be a Tamilian, also knowing Marathi and Hindi. Can you contribute with your writing skills and post long romantic / erotic essays? In phase 2 scammers read the mail, and we want to make it harder for them by writing in English itself, (instead of short scamlish during phase 1). A continuous linear-flown text, with no paragraphs will make it difficult for them to read!

Can you rewrite, expand, the next few posts to present as dreams / fantasies, the victims sends them during each Western Union Run? Make as many as possible, make each run difficult for them. I think the record is http://www.delphifa..p=59#69007 (maybe scored a century?!!)
2008-04-25, 10:28:29
Peter from Germany  
I pity to say but this is a scam for sure. Never send money to someone you got known to in internet! NEVER!
2008-04-25, 10:58:42
OJAS from United States  
Baiting Tips ...

Phase 2 begins with your response to the Money letter, and the scammer starts actually reading the mail.

First response to M-Letter Require answers to this survey, and add lots more questions, post your suggestions here! At the end, say when you receive your pay, next Friday evening, you will send money, in the mean time, demand to know all the romantic /erotic dreams, not just focusing on money alone! http://www.delphifa..p=0#26323

Open this URL, copy paste Money

... To Be Continues ...
2008-04-25, 11:03:57   (updated: 2008-04-25, 11:09:45)
OJAS from United States  
Baiting Tips

Phase 2 Subsequent letters in 2 parts:

The First part suggestions:

Copy / Paste / Edit /Expand from these scammer exchanges:

Distance however does not prevent me from thinking about you, dreaming about you romantically and sexually. When something like that happens to you, would you like to share your dreams with me, so I too can be a part of it? When I was exhausted while driving in extreme cold, I pulled into a motel, shivering in cold, I immediately hit the bed, half asleep, still frozen, but my dream began, without my knowlegde. You walked in, knelt before me, put your rosy lips on my cold lips, feeling gently my cold tongue with yours, trying to warm me up. You then covered me with blanket. You then got under the blanket, and touched the palm of my right hand, it was very cold for you. You gave my palm your lips and tongue, took it to your left cheek, very slowly, down your left shoulder, while with your other hand, you were unbuttoning your self. You put my hand inside your left bra, for me to feel the warmth of your left breast. You had not unhooked your bra, because you wanted my hand closely held to your breast, so it warms up well. Then you ran your right hand between my thighs and up gently, and put your palm for me to warm my member as well. You then slowly closed your eyes, you were totally relaxed, in the knowledge, we now are a part of each other.

I want to stop at this because I feel terrible to recall when I woke up, it was onlydream

Do you take your own pictures with your camera? Will you be able to send special pictures for me? Would you like to stand in front of a large mirror, undress, show me your front, back, and sides, so I can admire your beauty, and make it even more part of my dreams? I am very open with you. I do not want to impose on you. I would like you to ask yourself some questions. If you have shown yourself to another man, would you like to show me all of you, even though I am not the same man? Let me know if you would like to share your beauty with me!! I am kissing you with this feeling. You are sitting on my laps, with your right hand around my shoulder, my left hand under and around you. Our lips are open, touching each other, our eyes closed. My tongue carassing your tongue, my right hand resting gently on your lebreast! !
I very happy to receive your letter. It is a lot of things in my life to have Changed as I have met to you. My friends began to inform I, that I have changed, began to smile more often, in the eyes More passion and desire to live futher. In this moment it - cold in Street but even bad weather can't spoil my mood. Each day I Expect news from you. Which could think, that ours of destiny will be разминувшееся. You Have ever подуманное that will be if we live in one The country? I think, that I can belive you. Also I think, that you The good man and you can give a lot of emotional heat and ласкаться in the The woman. I don't to realize what I shall do during this moment of life too. If I didn't to get acquainted to you but I I am sure, that wouldn't. I like to look at myself in a mirror In a naked kind and to represent as you ласкаешь my body in all places

marvel about your fantasy! How nice it is, that you are so frank, open, honest, about your feelings for me!!!

Throughout this letter, I want you to feel this way:
You come and sit next to me, to my on the right, taking my right hand arorund your shoulder, inside your low-cut blouse, under your right bra, for my hand to enjoy your right breast. Your right hand massaging my right hand, gently moving it sideways to have a good feel of your right breast. You turn left, bend a bit, since I'm a bit shorter than you, place your rose-petal like lips on my lips, give me your tongue to taste with my tongue. I bring my left hand to your left knee, slowly moving it to your left thigh, under your skirt, You slowly spread your thighs for me to comfortably let my hand reach the top of your underwear. I put my left hand through the top of your underwear, and down to reach your velvet like pubic hair, runing my fingers up and down, my middle finger feeling the inner walls of your pussy during some of the strokes. I take periodic breaks only to speak to you briefly a few words, but my lips are never far away from your lips, and as I speak, the tip of my lips are moving up and down the tips of your lips!!!
And I say this:

Sweetie, I asked if you trust me enough to send your frank photos? Do you like me to share with me, what you see everyday yourself? Your beautiful breasts, your lovely pussy, with its velvety hair, your gorgeous buttocks, and inside the cleft where my finger tips want to feel both sides of your buttocks? Would you like all these views etched mentally on me, so even if I am not at a computer, even if I'm on the road, I can in my mind grahically see all those you can however see any time?

But honey, I'm aware, your beauty is your personal matter. You only decide who gets to see it, carry it the mind, and shares with you. There are certain things you only share with someone special, someone you trust, and want to take to your heart.

Remember I'm still kissing you, feeling your erect right nipple with my right middle finger, my left hand, still feeling your pu?
Yesterday night, I had magnificent sexual dream concerning you and me. I can't keep it in myself. I should express it to you, share it with you. I should find out, whether you also have similar dream. You and I. And nobody more. We together. And we are close the each to other. We embrace each other, we press our bodies against each other, our lips meet and synchronize in operation knowledge. I feel your body, you feel my body. You undress me and I undress you. I feel your sensitive body. You feel my basis. I lay on your breast and I listen to your heartbeat in double speed. We lay closely to each other and speak about love. We fondle each other. I look into your beautiful eyes, you look into my eyes and both we see a love in the glance each other. I kiss your breast, neck, I kiss you everywhere. And you do same by your sensitive gentle lips. I love you very much. I hear your beautiful voice. And I speak you about my love. We have a rain now. The rain brings love. The love prospers in this weather. It's very romantic atmosph.

Yesterday I saw sexual dream of us with you. I want to tell it to you. I dreamed, how you meet me at the airport, take on hands and we go to you home. At you at home we go in your bedroom and we sit on a bed. You begin to undress me, to kiss and gently to iron my body. I love you and I begin to understand, that love this very strong feel.

Hi my lovely

How are you today? I am fine and I hope you have a good mood too. I and my mom have ended at the weekend the restyling of the room in her apartment (I have told you about it). It is a very nice light room with sky blue walls!!! We like our work a lot! My thoughts about you Mike have helped me to do it! I want to tell you I THINK OF YOU A LOT! I MISS YOU SO MUCH MY DEAR!!!! I WAIT YOUR LETTERS WITH GREAT IMPATIENCE ALWAYS!!! I AM SO EXCITED WHEN RECEIVE YOUR LETTERS BECAUSE I LOVE YOU!!! I LOVE YOU Mike!!!! My dear Mike, I dreamed of our meeting, and I want to tell you about it. I decided to write you about it because I love you. I hope I did rightly. I hope you will not be mad in me because of this letter. This is my dream: I have come to you and you picked me up in the airport and kissed me. I have embraced you and we looked into eyes of each other some time. Then we walked to the taxi and went to our room. We could hardly keep our hands off each other during the drive, so much passion was stored up between us! When we got into the room, you sat down on the chair and I slowly danced for you while I slowly undressed. You was so excited and full of passion that you could not take anymore, you stood up and picked me up into your arms and carried me into the bedroom. Slowly and carefully you laid me down on the bed. You started to kiss my lips, kiss my neck, slowly kissed my shoulders, and down until you reached my breasts, your tongue slowly, gently circled my nipples until they were hard, then you sucked them while your hand caressed my stomach and moved under my panties and found my wet and swollen clit. While you were sucking my nipples and softly rubbing my clit, my hips were moving, heart was beating faster and faster and a loud groan of pleasure came from my mouth. After a little while your tongue slowly slided down my stomach, paused just for a minute to lick my belly button, then again slowly went down to my panties. You took them down with your teeth, then down to my clit. Slowly your tongue licked my clit, then faster and faster as you passion grew, my moaning increased and my hips started to go up and down. Soon I climaxed with an ear shattering scream. Now my pussy was wet with juice. I was ready for you. I took your cock in my hand and slowly started to stock it up and down. Then I licked the head by my tongue, slowly around the head at first, then I took all the head into my mouth and sucked and licked. I could feel your cock grew in my mouth as my breathing became heavy and your cock became big and hard. Now it was time. You lay back into bed, I climbed on the top of you and slowly lowered myself down on your cock. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! It felt good as it slided in, your hands were on my breasts and I started to slide slowly up and down. Both of us were groaning with pleasure and love. I pushed up as I went own. Then you lay on top of me, breast to chest. We held each other tightly and kissed while your cock went in and out deeply into my pussy. Faster and faster we pumped each other, deeper and deeper you went into me, and deeper and deeper were our kisses as we lost control of us in love. Then both our body's started to stiffen, we were both moaning very loudly as we climaxed together. After we were both flushed, we lay together naked enjoying love in each others arms. Now we were happy because we were completely in love and we are the organic whole. This was my dream about you!I hope you dream about me too! If you do I wish you to write me it! Now I am ending this letter to you my love! I will wait your next letter so much!!!

Letter #9 from http://www.delphifa..586.shtml
Humorous ideas how to deal with Russian dating scammers http://www.delphifa... shtml

The second part, towards the end, copy / paste / edit / expand from the Western Union Run Thread http://www.delphifa..=59#69007


... To Be Continued ...
2008-04-25, 11:12:07   (updated: 2008-04-25, 11:13:42)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
On Darya Chernysheva, Yurino (or...?)



Scammers target dating sites where profiles are not pre-screened seeking men who are naive.
Is she real or are you communicating with a known scammer? Quick Check all Scam Sites and other sources

Disclaimer : Entries listed below do not confirm a scammer or scam and may not be real names or fact.
Information below is the results of anonymous user scam inquires. Everything you read here should be independently verified by yourself.

darya chernysheva
yurino russia View Map Yes 22 april 2008

darya chernysheva
yurino russia View Map Yes 22 april 2008

darya chernysheva
yurino russia View Map - 15 april 2008

darya chernysheva
yurino russia View Map - 15 april 2008

darya chernysheva
mari el republic russia View Map Yes 15 april 2008

darya chernysheva
mari el republic russia View Map Yes 15 april 2008

darya chernysheva
yurino russia View Map Yes 15 april 2008

darya chernysheva
yurino russia View Map Yes 15 april 2008

darya chernysheva
chernyshova -
zvenigovo russia View Map - 02 april 2008

darya chernysheva
zvenigovo russia View Map Yes 02 april 2008

darya chernysheva
zvenigovo russia View Map - 20 february 2008

darya chernysheva
zvenigovo russia View Map Yes 03 february 2008

darya common spellings for this name
darya, dariya, daria common associated names, nicknames, sweet names
dasha, dashenka, dashechka, dashunya

TIP: Scammers target dating sites where profiles are not pre-screened seeking men who are naive. Sites where profiles are not screened anyone can claim to be anyone or live anywhere. These sites are good for practicing sending and receiving emails. Once you know how to do that then its time to move on and find real women unless its just a form of entertainment without any real hope of accomplishing anything.

This is Darya Chernysheva: http://el.dancespor..ails.aspx

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