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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-04-27, 16:33:37
dave  
oops sorry guys , sent all the crap as well but at least the message ther , here is my respose to her.

so it was a scam then you are just some creep trying to get money ? never mind you you didnt get mine , thats why i gave the wrong address and phone number , i had been warned of people like you and i have put your photos and messages on a scammers site so everyone knows how evil you are , some idiots will still fall for you but at least others wont , so what are you a big hairy fat guy , or a sad little girl ? pathetic , get a life


recap on her email ;its volosela@yahoo.com
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2008-04-27, 16:36:04
dave  
oops sorry guys , sent all the crap as well but at least the message ther , here is my respose to her.

so it was a scam then you are just some creep trying to get money ? never mind you you didnt get mine , thats why i gave the wrong address and phone number , i had been warned of people like you and i have put your photos and messages on a scammers site so everyone knows how evil you are , some idiots will still fall for you but at least others wont , so what are you a big hairy fat guy , or a sad little girl ? pathetic , get a life


recap on her email ;its volosela@yahoo.com
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Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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2008-04-27, 16:37:01
dave  
oops sorry guys , sent all the crap as well but at least the message ther , here is my respose to her.

so it was a scam then you are just some creep trying to get money ? never mind you you didnt get mine , thats why i gave the wrong address and phone number , i had been warned of people like you and i have put your photos and messages on a scammers site so everyone knows how evil you are , some idiots will still fall for you but at least others wont , so what are you a big hairy fat guy , or a sad little girl ? pathetic , get a life


recap on her email ;its volosela@yahoo.com
This image was also posted here:
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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2008-04-27, 16:59:10
anonymous from United States  
Hey has anyone has gotten e-mails from a russian girl scammer by the name of Yuliya Protasova? Let me know and her picture like this one? Please let me know ASAP


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2008-04-27, 18:06:31
OJAS from United States  
For phase 1 responses, here is a preliminary list of references to Pierre. Use his scamlish responses for copy / paste. In the event you forget to edit, remember, ... scammers are very salutation tolerant ! ! You can easily get away mixing up an Elena for Natalya ! ! Which real girl will be so kind to you? ...

A more refined list of his actual response links is in the works. With each of your reply, 999MoreEvil has already suggested attachments earlier.


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... To Be Continued ...
2008-04-27, 20:17:26   (updated: 2008-04-27, 20:26:07)
999MoreEvil from Australia  
Thanks OJAS
for the link to the email addresses
I have started the ball rolling but I can't do it all on my own I need help

gmail heads up gmail is huge and it will be hard to flood the in box unless we all send huge files as mentioned earlier to one email per day and then move to the next.

I will send the messenger to every scammer I know of from my three email addresses

gmail address tmthemessenger@gmail.com

heads up re: scammers some are reading the mail up to a point as I have some questions answered in the first mail but only some read the mail
I will spread the messenger to http://www.stop-scammers.com
I will post photos and email address of all the scammers I know if I get time

cheers thanks for your help
2008-04-28, 03:04:09
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
2008-04-28, 03:04:23   (updated: 2008-04-28, 03:10:29)
OJAS from United States  
Thanks 999MoreEvil.

Newbies ! ! Help our mates' efforts; Join forces, and contribute whatever time you can spare. You will be happy you kept scammers at bay, and a poor guy's hard-earned money in his OWN pocket ...

Spread Scammer Watch http://www.delphifa..p=5#71283
Submit scams to Radio Internet blogs http://www.delphifa..=14#72219
Expose scammer addresses to e-mail harvesters http://www.delphifa..p=9#74234
Rob (his delphi name) has an Oz site, submit your scams
Setup a communal e-mail addy solely with baiting mates. All baiters have a shared user id, password. Anyone replies anytime, with anything to scammers, saving others time, entertaining and informing. Members need not be in the same city, or country.

Target selection suggestion:

There are 10 threads listed on the right frame of the main page http://www.delphifaq.com/
When any thread is opened, the left frame has 20 threads. Allowing overlaps, at any given time there are less than 10 + 20 active threads. Some of us find African scammers lacking challenge. It brings down to an (average) 17 threads per visit. Select from the last page of any or each of these most currently active scammer. You will help distract scammers from an unsuspecting newbie victims.

More ideas http://www.delphifa..p=2#73286
Send your friends URLS like http://www.dailymai..e_id=1879

You can even send copy / pasted lists of scammer e-mail addresses to each of your scammers, in the body of your mail, (as if by mistake). Let your scammer spam other scammers! Or you can send the e-mail address of most current (17 average) to each other, and create a turf war among them.
2008-04-28, 07:41:10   (updated: 2008-04-28, 07:51:30)
999MoreEvil from Australia  
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FYI
I have posted the messenger on the stop-scammers forum and provided a link to this site
I have also requested they post a link on their web site and if they could get hold of the photo scanner used on this site as it is most helpful : )

thank you OJAS , Tony and to all who contributed to this site

A photo of or for your favorite scammer rename to whatever you like cheers keep up the good work


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2008-04-28, 15:54:53
Tony from United States  
999MoreEvil

Thanks for the picture. I will see what I can do with it Should be able to have a little fun at the scammers expense.
2008-04-28, 17:29:40
OJAS from United States  
Thanks 999MoreEvil, and others helping us

You all would have seen what is going on in other threads - Just making sure these scammers don't escape your attention. It also heps by relieving some pressure on our friends when the scammers hear from you all, unexpectedly ! !

The target selection (Identifying them as scammers, tracing IP, etc., has already been done for us!)



Dating scammer Michelle from Medvedevo http://www.delphifa..?p=6#86043 - currently scamming Dirk

Dating scammer Natalya from Osinniki, Russia (several scammers) http://www.delphifa..7#comments - scamming Fjellhare

... More Later ...
2008-04-28, 20:57:12
OJAS from United States  
999MoreEvil, Thanks mate. I am using ideas from you and many others for newbies interested in counterattacking scammers.

* Setup an e-mail account exclusively for baiting as Mark says http://www.delphifa..p=0#18524


* 999MoreEvil (and many others) prefer gmail, for its large storage (6 Gig) and send / receive (20 Meg per mail)

* Targets can be selected directly from the right frame of the main page http://www.delphifaq.com/ Or after any thread is opened, from the left frame

* Prioritize your targets, Scammer #1 S1 for short, S2 and so on into a sequence

* Give highest priorities to active bating threads, to support our baiting friend

* URLs for each thread, after the last slash / and f has 4 digits indicating the thread number

* All the threads can be viewed with the URL before the last slash, http://www.delphifa..age_scams

* The highest numbered thread is the newest, and more likely to be active baiting thread, or giving the most recently active scammer e-mail

* Pair your targets by setting up gmail filters. Mails from S1 are automatically forwarded to S2, and vice versa (S3 & S4 and so on ...) and they need not even be automatically deleted

* e-mail subject: сосите хуй ! (= Suck my dick; More Cyrillic choices towards the end of this post http://www.delphifa..#comments

* e-mail body: (You need to do once only) Copy / Paste scammer e-mails from Blacklisted Emails of Russian Dating Scammers http://www.delphifa..1102.shtml

* e-mail attachment http://www.delphifa..172#87083

* Picture attachment http://www.delphifa..=173#87284 ... More will be added later

* Here's how it can work; S1 sees the subject; If he responds to you, with a new swearing, post it for our future list; It will be filtered to forward to S2, if in turn replies, keeps S1 and S2 engaged (One or both may also write to the e-mails in the body)

* You forward S1 response (or your original to him) to S3 and in the forwarded by, change to the e-mail of S4

* You move to S5, and keep them pairing against each other

* You owe it to them ... After all, most scammers say they are looking for their best partner ... And you help them realize their life's dream ...

... As always, more suggestions as they occur ...

Finally, newbies, you too develop ideas by reading contributions from 999MoreEvil, Mark, and many others, post your suggestions ... Thanks
2008-04-28, 21:11:04
999MoreEvil from Australia  
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glad you liked the photo lol : )

the two scammers in the last post have been messengered : )

cheers thanks for your help and I'm happy to assist where I can : )
2008-04-29, 11:06:29
Tony. from United States  
Scammers are so bad they make even a clown sick.
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Scammer Jane Mabou from Ivory Coast, Africa
Dating scammer Goodwill Ajaratu



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2008-04-29, 13:06:43
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Right you are, Tony. Look at the bright side of life...

http://nl.youtube.c..POzQzk9Qo

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