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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-08-09, 17:19:46
OJAS from United States  
Nederland,
Neither you nor she needs a visa to Turkey. Isolate your real girl from scammers http://www.delphifa..=15#102263
2008-08-09, 20:12:35   (updated: 2008-08-09, 20:13:51)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Hidden USA (and Tony),

The Admin will remove the inappropriate ones. Just wait untill he sees them!

Anon Netherlands,

Wie heeft wie het eerst benaderd? Ik wens je alle geluk met Zhanna, maar misschien is het toch raadzaam om de PictureSearch-functie van deze site te gebruiken. Wie weet?! Een tip: Stel voor, om haar te bezoeken. Als ze het afwijst met allerlei rare smoezen, is het een scammer. Zo niet... Veel succes en vooral geluk toegewenst!

PS: Weet je hoe je een IP-adres kunt controleren? Zo neen... djvandellen@home.nl

http://www.google.c..egtyareva
2008-08-09, 20:27:07   (updated: 2008-08-09, 20:39:22)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon Netherlands,

BLAGOVESCHENSK (RUSSIAN FAR EAST)

The history of the Amur region began 350 years ago, when Cossack explorers embarked on an expedition along the most powerful river of the Far East. In 1858, an agreement was finalized between China and the Russian government regarding the extensive embankment on the northern side. In the same year the administrative center of the Amur region, Blagoveschensk, was founded.

The Amur region's southern region is rich farmland sprawled along a 1,243-kilometer border with northern China. The region's north is sparsely forested tundra bordered by the vast Sakha republic. The region is also rich in gold and currently stands in 3rd place for all of Russia in gold production. Many of the settlements in the Amur region were established solely for the extraction of gold and lumber.

Although Blagoveschensk (population 220,000) is one of the least accessible and therefore least visited major cities, it is a singularly attractive city and one of the oldest in the Russian Far East. The city lies on a flat riverbank, separated by a kilometer of river from the modern Chinese city of Hei-Hei. The city is strikingly clean; its many ornate 19th century buildings were repaired during its recent 140th anniversary celebration.

The river between Chinese Hei-Hei and Russian Blagoveschensk is guarded by an old Russian gunboat anchored in mid-stream, several deserted WWII vintage pillboxes, and a decaying fort whose buildings date from Tsarist times. In contrast to the Russian city's 19th century buildings and Soviet-era apartment blocks, the Chinese city across the river is made up of new skyscrapers, office buildings and hotels.

Blagoveschensk and the Amur region are profiting from nearby China. Cooperation with the Chinese city just 800 meters across the Amur river, has led to an international free trade zone, which has spurred the development of infrastructure and production in both cities. A lively cross-border shuttle trade (via ice road in winter and ferry in summer) fills Blagoveschensk markets with low-cost Chinese foodstuffs and clothing.

Blagoveschensk is recommended for students interested in total immersion in language and culture, international relations, trade, nature, agriculture.

Blagoveschensk, one of the oldest cities of the Far East, is the business and administrative centre, a large city on the Amur river, the centre of gold-mining and agriculture of the Amur region, the port and the centre of Amursk navigation. The national traditions and the culture were carefully kept and transmited in Blagoveschensk. There are the Museum of Local Lore (1891), the Drama Theatre (1883) in Blagoveschensk.

http://www.tripadvi..ions.html

http://www.farecomp..city.html

http://www.russianf..ensk.html

http://thermo.karel..bla.shtml

The photo shows the Churin Hotel in Blagovechensk.





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2008-08-10, 04:42:37   (updated: 2008-08-10, 04:46:31)
anonymous from Netherlands  
dirk,

bedankt voor al je info. ik zelf heb ook al wat ervaring met scammers. dus alles wat je schrijft heb ik al uit gezocht, ook de info over blagovesckensk. maar toch bedankt hoor.
ik zie dat jij aardig vaak op deze site voor komt dus misschien heb jij meer keninis dan ik. ik zal wat meer over de situatie vertellen altijd handig om iemands anders inzicht te krijgen.
ik heb haar benaderd via een dating site. ik heb nu 8 brieven van haar. ik had haar ip adress al gecheckt en die komen uit blagoveschensk. de achtergrond van haar fotos heb ik kunnen achterhalen met google earth en zijn gebouwen in blag. haar mobile telefoon nr heb ik kunnen achterhalen en komt van een provider die levert in haar regio (wordt aangegeven door de eerste 4 cijfers. gisteren heb ik hier de foto scan gedaan niks gevonden. 95% van al mijn vragen worden goed beantwoord. ze heeft 2 keer gezegt dat ze me leuk vindt meer niet. niks over liefde, andere diepe gevoelens of geld. ze zegt dat ze nu op vakantie is en in haar laatste brief (8) schrijft ze dat ze me gaat missen. heb zelfs 'russian detective RD' een internet scan laten doen. niks gevonden. sterker nog elena zegt 'als dit er een is dan is ze behoorlijk goed. haar letters lijken niet eens op de gebruikelijke scam letters'. klikt toch allemaal goed zou je zeggen, wat is mijn probleem?? nou ik heb door mijn eerste 2 ervaingen en alles wat ik hier en op andere sites lees, zoveel achterdocht gekregen denk ik, dat ik niet kan geloven dat het nu een keer goed zou kunnen gaan. het erge is ze ziet er er leuk uit ziet en de antwoorden die ik krijg spreken me erg aan. nu in haar laatste brief schrijft dat ze me mist, heb ik zoiets van kan dat wel? ze heeft me toch nog nooit gezien wat mis ze dan? pure achterdocht denk ik. we schrijven leuk met elkaar. ze heeft zelf gezegt dat ze mijn mannieer van schijrven zo leuk vindt. ik wil haar echt leuk gaan vinden maar door mijn achterdocht, leg ik alles wat ze zegt op een grote weegschaal. vindt ik niet leuk van mijn zelf. ik zit de heletijd te denken hoe kom ik erachter of dit voor echt is. wat moet ze zeggen om mij te overtuigen. misschien die vraag die jij zegt vragen of ik haar kan bezoeken? ik wil van die achterdocht af en in haar gaan geloven. moeilijk he?
nauw bedankt voor je eerder info en het lezen van dit.
2008-08-10, 06:04:48   (updated: 2008-08-10, 06:16:45)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Landgenoot,

Don't worry! Be happy! Your girl is real!

http://nl.youtube.c..Ov_ygQzGA

Als je erover wilt praten... Je hebt mijn adres.

2008-08-10, 11:54:05
anonymous from United States  
Her name is Svetlana

Thank you for checking this out. I could have been scammed. She's a nice looking Girl, and I think She's married


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2008-08-10, 13:49:11
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon USA,

Guess your pics will be deleted again. Just don't post that kind of pics. They don't prove anything. They don't add anything.

2008-08-10, 14:38:26
anonymous from United States  
ref: page 146
girl name: Amy Seun David
Try to get money to pay hotel bill to come back to trhe states from Aferica. She said she was robbed at gun point.
The first contact statement was the same as the one posted but the one to me was 6 mo later and same pic. With one week email she is in love and wanted me pick her up at the airport.
2008-08-10, 15:08:19   (updated: 2008-08-10, 15:47:41)
Tony from United States  
Is there anyway to block that fool from posting nude pics? I got a nude scammer today and I can't post her pictures becase they are partial nudes. Stolen from the internet no doubt. Think I may write Veronica Love_nazy2000@Yahoo.com and see if she/he writes back!
2008-08-10, 15:16:36
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon USA,

Guess your pics will be deleted again. Just don't post that kind of pics. They don't prove anything. They don't add anything.

http://nl.youtube.c..zTJY&NR=1

2008-08-10, 17:24:22
Tony from United States  
I did get one picture from the person who sent me the nude pictures of a wman that is ok to post. Here it is. She says she is in New Zealand but her address traces back to Ghana.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Goodwill Ajaratu



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2008-08-10, 17:26:43
Tony from United States  
Here is her IP headers and where it traced to.
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2w9MDthPTA=
X-Message-Status: p:0
X-SID-PRA: Janet Anokye <ladyjanetja2008@yahoo.com>
X-Message-Inf6sSXyD95QpVUc6MCKwRi6+ SZ5xmGOGLP9UmGvftsFr3uRcigxsljqa/OAWSqwSqwqRY499zVfAmUMOFEFBe4YPrNnr3b2FbXl0b
Received: from n4d.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.88]) by bay0-mc9-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668);
    Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:46:59 -0700
Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 20:46:59 -0000
Received: from [76.13.10.169] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 20:46:59 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 20:46:59 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 37138.58581.bm@omp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
Received: (qmail 59716 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 20:46:59 -0000
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h= Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b= QFgYybiuzbEneOu5exDc5Q5CKqsTCp6lepjocqSmBmSYST8imRHLe+QDoE4zZWIknr3ZuJ4k3bxZ/ nLQjaWKCvYuBFkJYB5Nr+TcsT/bvQHUa4noAw/el2EqE11MC56S29SiuJ2du5t4D27EvbafKDEt89JXWli0uxOQ9A20KJo= ;
Receeceived: from [41.210.5.72] by web59816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:46:58 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Janet Anokye <ladyjanetja2008@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ladyjanetja2008@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: hi
To: dparker123 <dparker123@hotmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <3036062e0808091305n27a04c15w3137d56f978511b2@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary='0-1533984800-1218314818=:59709'
Message-ID: <955100.59709.qm@web59816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Return-Path: ladyjanetja2008@yahoo.com
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2008 20:46:59.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[11EE49E0:01C8FA61

Also here is the email saying she was still there.

From: Janet Anokye <ladyjanetja2008@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 3:11:13 PM
Subject: Re: hi

hello dear am in newzealand now .
and this is my pics hope you will like it .
have a look and tell me something
write back byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



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2008-08-10, 20:23:09
Tony from United States  
Glad thise nude pictures are gone. I hope that the moron who keeps posting them STOPS! They have no place here. And why doesn't he have enough balls to post who he is? I'm beginning to wonder if he really got emails from this person.
2008-08-10, 22:30:34   (updated: 2008-08-13, 11:24:14)
joe_mcdraken@hotmail.com from Santiago, Chile  
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I had a lot of problems with someone's from africa, specially some people of Dakar, Senegal. if you want to know about the modus operandi of this fuckin' scammers, please read the following:

'These persons appears like a young girls looking for romance mates. once you contact her, she suddenly fell in love of you and she tells you about a secret. the secret is she is a daughter of someone very rich and her entire family was killed in a war, and she ends living in a refugee camp, with a priest or a pastor. and she had some paperwork from a bank, where the account is. after that they ask some money for paperwork from barristers and you must to send it so the bank can transfer the money of the account to one you provide. fortunately i didn't get beyond this point 'coz I know it was scam!'


The way to identify the mail like scam is the following: some webmails like yahoo or hotmail marks this letters like 'spam' by default. if your webmail doesn't do that, read carefully the entire mail and pay attention to the words. and the context. and always they put a nice pic on the bottom of the mail or, like attached file. if you download it to check it out, she's looks very pretty for living in a refugee camp...

at the end of the shit, is always a lie!!!!
2008-08-10, 23:49:13   (updated: 2008-08-10, 23:51:18)
Tony from United States  
joe_mcdraken@hotmail.com from Santiago, Chile

Check out this link. It will take you to a thread that lalks all about this sort of scam. I post there all the time.

http://www.delphifa..2340.shtml
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