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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2008-11-29, 12:43:40
anonymous from Mexico  
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ni siquiera cambia de zapatos


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2008-11-29, 12:45:46
anonymous from Mexico  
cuidado


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2008-11-29, 17:47:47
anonymous from United States  



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2008-11-29, 22:10:53
anonymous from United States  
Elvira, hmmm, post a pic and I will dig into my files to see if this is the same Elvira that tried scamming me too. Remember everyone, without posting pics, the comments are nearly useless, as only a pic will tell if this pic is being used under various names, as names are only names, fictitious names at that.
2008-12-01, 10:02:08
anonymous from United States  
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I was on the dating service of singles.com when i recieved this e-mail from this person
saying if i would like to see her picture e-mail back so i did no big deal .. Well a few weeks later i recieved an e-mail from this gorgeous young lady from KIEV UKRAINE RUSSIA says she is 28 yrs.old a dentist an she really liked my profile ,, An did i have
a problem e-mailing a 28yr.old .. Well of coarse not so we e-mailed each other back an forth over the next 3 months .. Well now it turns out that she has 4 different e-mail
addresses an they are :onemoredream@gail.com.. prettyladydoc@gmail.com
lookingstar@gmail.com.. liveandream@gmail.com.. So gentlemen beware she tried
but didnt not get 975.00 dollars from me .. What ever you do dont send this Ladies
any money .. Best of luck the Russian Women are very gorgoeus.. Her name is
IRINA GORLOVA
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Dating scammer ludmila kiska
Dating scammer Olga Baghayeva
Dating scammer Olga Baghayeva



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2008-12-01, 11:50:17
anonymous from United States  
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Isn't this Lyudmila or Yuliya or Irina ?
2008-12-01, 11:54:15
anonymous from United States  
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I got an email from this one also. And I am a girl!! She is even sending little girl pictures. And convieniently her birthday is in 15 days. And she is flying over here to me soon...lol. They wil stop at nothing.
2008-12-02, 04:02:59
anonymous from United States  
Russian Beauty is only CROTCH DEEP. What good is beauty if your a fake, scam artist, crook, and a criminal, with a criminal mind??? No DAM GOOD. Just like what the Russian's have shown lately to show off their military superiority to the USA by parking their biggest war ship in Venezuela recently stating they came here for that specific purpose. Then they try to gold dig them for an alley to side against us, on our very close borders. Then they beat feet to Cuba, first time since the cold war. Then they threaten us with some missile that they say can not be destroyed with our space technology. I can't wait till we are forced into showing them about superiority because of their arrogant and untrusting manner and threats. Who woke the DOG up anyhow. Bet they howl on a full moon too.
2008-12-02, 05:47:23
anonymous from Ukraine  
http://www.antiscams.org/

This site for struggle against the Ukrainian scammers.
If you want know the true about your woman from Ukraine, use this service.
2008-12-02, 14:58:05
[hidden] from United States  
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I ALSO got the same letters from 'Dariya' in the above post! The next letter revealed the city she had allegedly traveled to was St. Petersburg, and the city she was from was Krasnoyarsk, Siberia.

I got suspicious when she asked me to confirm my international airport. Then a simple comment like, 'we can have dinner on your birthday' (December 15th) went unaddressed!! Doing a search for a line from her one of her letters (a trick I learned from another website) led me to THIS website. So THANK YOU!!

You know she actually sent me a picture of her with her cat! AND a picture of her as a 6 year-old, in a ballerina costume?!! These people stoop to the lowest lows!! Can you IMAGINE using pictures of children???!!

When I signed off on what will probably be the last communication I have from 'her', I added, (this is MY name! But I'M not LYING!!!), in sarcastic reference to her first letter! Though I am sure it's wasted on this scammer, BE AWARE, fellas! BE AWARE!!!
2008-12-02, 20:00:56
anonymous from United States  
Ah yes, the lovely and talented Irina Gorlova of Kiev from Odessa.....blah, blah, blah.....

aka cuteladydoc@gmail.com

She says her apartment address is Vul 49, 11 Kirpichnaya
Kiev, Ukraine 02082

Ladies and gentleman, she is quite the artist !

Red roses are her favorite and here she is at her 29th birthday party on November 17 !

Enjoy.....what a thrill !!!


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2008-12-02, 21:26:21
anonymous from United States  
Irina Gorlova sent birthday pics and family pics. she ask for 975.00 dollars i told her i could not then she ask for 375.00


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2008-12-03, 22:43:31
anonymous from United States  
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yes guys i received the same letter word by word and the same pictures, by dariya (devochka_dariya@mtsglobe.com) how this people gets our email addresses is a puzzle to me.here is the second letter she send me:
Hello my lovely knight in the shining armor, I am so glad to see your letter again,I think I am a lucky girl to meet such man and I will do my best to meet you in real life!
you know I can work in any city of your area because it is free choice and agency only helps me to get only travel documents (work visa)and ticket, and I do hope that we will like each other and now I have the destination. The agency will also suggest some places to work in.
I do hope I have met my right man!you know I have told you before one of my friend worked abroad last year and have met right man,now they live there and they are going to marry. by the way now they are arranging the trip to Russia,(he wants to meet her parents and friends)I think if I feel that you are my dream and you have the same feelings we could think about our future together. if not I will just work and return back when the time to travel back.
you know I am new here and I am afraid to make any mistake. I have one great lack,I am very impatient sometimes I can act without thinking. Sometimes I think that my dream is getting for real and it is so bad to be disappointed later.
I want you to know all small things about me because it shouldn't be any misunderstandings between us.
I want you to know that I am not angel and sometimes I can show my character.And I don't wait that you to be angel too, I just want to meet a kind man .
I am very kind and I can forgive almost all I can't forgive if my man sleep with different woman, I don't know many nessesary words in english.
I hope you can read between lines. A little more about myself!
I belive in love and for me doesn't important age of men who i will love. Because i know that love is a feeling without any stereotype.
I've been modeling for some time. I am sending you my professional photos.
my favorite activity is swimming. I like to swim in the Swimming pool very much. I wish we had the sea here! I like the sea! We have the sea near us but it is very cold one and It is impossible to swim. We do have some lakes though. Sometimes I think that I was the fish in past life. I wanted to be as swim trainer but I've been told that I will have ugly body with too wide shoulders.
I finished The Krasnoyarsky State Univercity, trainers faculty as fitness trainer but I don't work on my profession because there are no good fintess clubs in my city, I used to sit at home and to do all housework,helping my mom. I would like to have good job,I may work dancing teacher, or trainer of fitness,you know I have a certificate.
I worked as a trainer a year ago . and I would like to do it again .you know how many more younger girls want to get this job too!Alot of competition here. I want to tell you about things I like:
I like to make barbecue and I so much want to have my own home with fireplace.
usually I make very tasty ones and in principle I like to cook and it is not problem for me to cook something tasty and I don't like to visit cafes and restaurants ,at first usually they can't cook weel(maybe only here) and second too high price.
I like warm weather. and my great dream is to live somewhere on tropical island.
Also I want to tell you about my dislikes: I hate our long winters it seems to me they will never end.
I hate lies and unfaithfulness. I hate evil people and politicans I think they like to play wars, I hate any wars.
What I like in a man: faithfulness, honesty. He has to be open- minded and open-hearted, also easy-going. and much more important he is kind,kindness makes our world!
are you kind?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I think my man should be kind ,it is great feeling after love,only kind person may be happy,all rude people are unhappy.
or must be. A few questions yet, agency tells that I will have a room in nearest hotel near my future work but if we like each other may be is it possible to live together?
I think we will enjoy life together. do you have your car?animals? I can't drive and I do hope you give me a few lessons, to be fair I have so many plans .I will find out all travel details about my flight this week. I will leave my town today in a two hours and i think I will be not able to write to you today or so. When I am in St.-Petersburg I will send you short letter to let you know that I am all right and they tell that it takes about two days to get all nesseary papers, please confirm your phone number and international airport, I want to be sure I have all your details and Please don't look at different girls. I am the best(joke).
Well, I will close this letter I think I am bore today,and please feel free to ask. See you soon!I can't believe everything is for real.
to be fair I am lost and my head is like any big station with a lot of voice!
KISS and LOVE Dariya!

Is this a real scamm!!!!! thanks guy for your posting, if someone else gets more letters let us know!!!!




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Dating scammer Tatyana Smirnova from Molodezhnyi, Russia



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2008-12-04, 01:45:11
anonymous from United States  
Lol.....Oh Matt....what a mess! I told you to be careful with that online dating s@@t. So, I gather you never did go to Russia then to meet your russian girlfriend..sounds like you really got taken! LOL......mq
2008-12-04, 10:59:29
anonymous from United States  
I too was contacted by Irina Gorlova from a singles site and it intially stated she was from the US. But after responding to her and getting her photo, she advised she was from the Ukraine and we continued to correspond as friends, but her efforts escalated. I can now see many of the same pictures she sent to me on various scam sites that I searched because I was suspicious from the lack of clarity in her responses to my questions. She also attempted to secure $975 from me after about 4 weeks, claiming we were divined to meet , etc... Good luck to all and Thanks to these sites who help notify people of potential risks.
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