Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
I have had the opportunity of dealing with Antonina the dentist as well from russia
anonymous from United Kingdom
hi snowy,look well back in these files and you will find another Maria sycheva,the pic you have was sent to me by maria sycheva saying the girl in your pic was her best friend,I think I was supposed to say she was not the person I wanted,so I did,she wrote back and said she liked my loyalty to her.I spotted it was a piss take way before then,and after playing her like a fish for a while,I wished her nthe best of luck with her scamming,and gave her this site address.I also was Emailing her from a different Email address,I got the same letters she had sent me,just slight variations here and there.If you want to convince yourself it is a scam,try another Email address,and use a different attitude,you can take more chances and be really base and cheeky,but they still write passionate and loving letters.You should read what she imagined we would do in the shower on our first night together,[I have still got a hard on thinking about it]
I still dont know if her pics were generated in England,have a look,Enlish road signs,nike sweat shirt,and a toyota car driving on the left.Mrs C has made comments on her,and found me another scammer at the address next door to her in Cheboksary.The only thing that bothers me is that the letters might have been from some hairy arsed Ivan,and I have been making virtual love and cyber sex to a man[not my scene man]
good luck with your endevours Snowy.MANCHESTER ENGLAND.
anonymous from Netherlands
snowy from United States
hi manchester lad (anonymous)
it was my byfrd she was originally chatting with on his email addy, he told me to make fake 1 up n contact her/him.... which i did im getting the same letters he got.. except im asking silly questions n i also sent fake pictures of a guy (well if they can do it to us .. its good enuff to do it back!!! lol) iv asked to her to send me a picture of her holding the picture of supposedly me... she said she will send it.... if she does il post on this site for yous to decide if it real...which i guess it will be airbrushed of some sort. i did look back at the previous picts u had registered of her n yes the 1 wi car n road sign does look english!!! i checked her IP addresses out 1 says she from uk and other says USA?????? where is she actually writing from... same email addy firstname.lastname@example.org.... iv just replied to her today frid 22nd sept 2006 and my letter is pure wind up... hope she like it!!! i will keep you updated
email@example.com from United States
yulia.girl has tried to scam me as well she has sent alot of pics and lots of letters if you have any questions please contact me i have several other possible scamers on line would like som input on a couple tatyana petrvichev is one here is my yulia picture i love this sight firstname.lastname@example.org
anonymous from United States
C'mon you guys were not that desparete to think were so hot to these women.Are we bragging about these recieved letters.Why would an out of our legue women want to be with us desparate computer guys lookin for love and romance on the internet.There not scammers were just stupid to play along ,.I think its fun to think cool,I know what they are.You wanna have real fun turn the tables on them.Tell them you know whats up and you want in a scam .You can help them with the score.Get involved and then leave then come back with a lame excuse and if they could spare a 100.00 or so then donate it to keep these sites up to date..Cops can't do nothing about it.Its really more embarrising than a scam..Think about it.Its like you guys are not sure if this girl is a cscam..Give me break you computer geeksme included.
anonymous from United States
Simon from United Kingdom
Welcome Back Irina FANS !
Well, she is 'going for it' now, She has stepped up the pace a little. (So I caved-in and am currently sending the deeds to my esate as we speak of course)
SHE IS TRULY 'OFF HER ROCKER' She constantly makes reference too statements I never made or offers I never made.
The girl is in a dream world.
I know it's all part of the scam, but, stone the crows !!! NOBODY is going to fall for this stuff !!!
Sit back and relax Ladies and Gentlemen, are you ready for,................
THE 15th E-MAIL
My Simon, I am pleased to receive your letter. Even more I am glad, that you
I think, that between us there should be a trust and understanding. Now I am
completely ready to go to Moscow. It is good, that you will be capable to help
me with tickets. Now our meeting will take place really soon. I already called
today in station and I ordered tickets up to Moscow. Tonight after work I shall
go to my parents and then we shall go in station. I shall go to Moscow. I
already took a vacation on work and tomorrow I shall not work any more. My
parents will see off me to Moscow. I should collect also some things for Moscow.
I love you, and I know, that you very much wait for me!!! As soon as I shall
arrive to Moscow I shall immediately find Internet - cafe and to inform you,
that I have arrived to Moscow. I so am pleased, that all things approach. It
means, it soon we shall together! I so want to arrive to you more soon and to
connect our hearts! I promise, that I shall take all things correctly when I
shall arrive to Moscow.
We shall take together happy family and me to hasten to our happiness!
Wait for me, my love!!! I shall hasten to our happiness. Our love to be only in
our hands. I shall hold our love and to care!!! I should tell, that I now
understand, that between us there is a trust. I sincerely understand, which you
want, that I have arrived to you. I the strong woman and my love to you shall
help me!!!! I on a correct way fortunately and I shall struggle for happiness
It is very important for me to feel your support. I was solved on distant travel
to meet you. I want that you wrote to me every day detailed letters. I want to
feel you, that you want, that I arrived also you very much wait for me. I do not
think, that I shall be for a long time in Moscow. Probably 5-6 days. I do not
know precisely, but I every day shall write to you and to inform on all affairs.
Well, I shall not write much today. I shall be going to go for Moscow. We on a
Following my letter will be already probable from Moscow. Write to me also. With
love forever, yours Irina.
I didn't get a photo with this one; I guess she was trying to emphasize being on the way too Moscow?
Ya gotta laugh,............
Simon from United Kingdom
Hello Irina Fans !
I actually sent her a reply yesterday and just explained to her that if she was serious about wanting to be with me I could jump on a plane and be with her to visit in Moscow in 3 weeks.
I asked exactly where she lived and asked her to call me to discuss details.
I then explained that I would not send money to somebody I have not met before. (In a polite and believeable way)
I recieved her reply hours ago and have read it many times;- I am still laughing !!!!!!
It seems that she is now upset with me because I wont send her lots of cash !! (ah, bless her, boo-hoo)
Please note that I am not referred too as 'My beloved Simon', in-fact, she does not even say hello anymore !!!!
In a her reply I asked if she objected to me very sexually active with my partners, because I was scared that she could not keep up with my demands !!! LOL
I think the above may have contributed to her nasty reply !!!!! LOL
THE 16th E-MAIL (and I suspect it may be the last, BOO-HOO)
You at all do not understand that for the woman very important to arrive to you
the first and to look as you live. Please understand it that for me it important!!!
Why you do not want to help me with tickets of travel? You do not trust
It really breaks me.
But certainly there are no problems if you arrive, I can meet you in Russia at
any time soon.
So when you arrive in Russia?
anonymous from Russian Federation
I have had a same event with USA citizen, he is a MAN! He asked me to send him 3 thousand dollars for travelling to Moscow, though a cost of ticket is 110 dollars.I would like to give you all one advice: seek right woman in your country, why do you want to meet with russian girls, I guess because your girls are not so beautiful as ours.
Please do think and ask your mind and heart!
Lydia from Moscow
anonymous from Netherlands
[hidden] from Australia
I have been chating to this girl Elena Solovieva for a month or so she will not ring me she gave an address but she tells me,she cannot afford to ring or does not have access to a phone
I have said to her i am coming to meet her in December she said that is ok,but my last email i ask her for some identification like a copy of her Passport she got all up set and said don't you trust me.she says she loves me,wants to have sex with me when we meet but she has never asked for money the only time she asked for money is when i asked her if she could get me,a guess visa for me, she said it would cost $250 as she had to bribe the authorities so she could get a guess visa for me.
Simon from United Kingdom
Hello Irina Fans
OK, I was wrong, she did write again, but I really do believe she is giving up hope that I will ever send money. (For good reason too !)
The e-mails are not nearly so frequent now, shame really, I was having a right laugh.
I think she must have exhausted her supply of 'doctored' photos because she has not sent me a piccy in the last 4 or 5 mails.
THE 17th E-MAIL
You asked me to write to you my address? OK!
But I should warn you my love that please do not send for me anything valuable
as it can be lost.
Our post system is not perfect. It is a shame also for Russia I all I
I hope that you understand me.
I shall wait from you the letter on a paper! OK?
But I already spoke you that I have no own phone, only phone of my parents it is
almost inaccessible to me.
I can really cause you by phone but in fact I why that I think that all this
I so found details of the plane the cheapest. I understand a situation of money
and I have really found the cheapest tickets of travel.
As this cost includes both taxes and tax collections the airport and the
insurance. Without the insurance now it is impossible.
I am really angry for that that you do not appreciate in me that that I do for
I shall be certainly glad to meet you in November, but for me it is very
important to arrive to you and to look as you live!!!
Well I very much shall look forward your mail for me.
Yours forever Irina.
CAN SOMEBODY CHECK OUT THIS ADDRESS?
I tried but there is no registry of it?