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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2006-09-30, 02:33:35
anonymous from United States  



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2006-09-30, 17:39:46
anonymous from Canada  



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2006-10-01, 14:41:43
anonymous from United States  
Anyone had any dealings with this lovely young lady ? I have spken with her on the phone .She comes across as very sweet and she is very smart and carfeul with her words .


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2006-10-02, 07:04:27
anonymous from Germany  





Hello Darling.
How are you today?.I believe that you are doing well.
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I am 23 years old girl 5'8' tall.My father Dr COL Patric Mbaye was the personal advicer to the former head of state(Late Dr Robert Guei)before the rebels attacked our house one early morning and killed him alondside withmy mother.It is only me that is alive now and i managed to makemy way to a near by country Senegal where i am livingnow.Please I will like to know more about you.Your likes and dislikes and what you are doingpresently.I will tell you more about myself in my nextmail.
.Waiting for your reply.
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2006-10-02, 11:36:41
from United States  
anonymous
Check out this page
that letter has been around a while now just a few names changed

http://www.delphifa..1115.shtml
2006-10-03, 06:57:31
Alan from United Kingdom  
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I too have been getting emails from Irina Kochergina, she finally came out and asked me for cash for plane tickets today. even had the check to say the tickets were only 300 Euro but she needed 600 for taxes and insurance.
Trying to think of a good way of getting her back for the wasted time writing the emails to her. I think I will ask her to email me a copy of her passport ( I know she has one as she told me she has) and if she does send it i will post it here for all to see.
Might give her a fake western union transfer number so she goes to the bank and looks like an idiot when the cashier says thats not a real number :-)
2006-10-03, 11:40:04
anonymous from France  



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2006-10-08, 12:43:26
anonymous from United States  
2006-10-08, 14:50:10
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2006-10-08, 14:54:37
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2006-10-08, 14:55:01
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2006-10-08, 19:38:43
anonymous from United States  
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Hello all, this guy tried to scam me on match.com. He came on very strongly, we had long IM conversations and after 1 week he dropped the bomb saying his mother in Denmark was ill and he needed a plane ticket. He claims he lives in Texas in my town, he even gave me an address!! He is going by the name Delsin Vogel, he will even give you his cell phone number in Lagos cause he says he is working there buying and selling jewels and rare artifacts. He also has another pic posted in a suit and tie, very respectable. His english is great on the IM, but horrible on the phone. DONT GET FOOLED BY HIM! He is a big liar and will only ask you for money girl! DONT BUY IT!!!!!1
2006-10-10, 02:47:23
Mrs. C from United States  
this is information i found on line
I find it kinda strange that 'Girls' who clame to be so poor. can aford to spend this much on Internet cafes. also so many claim that thay can't call people because thay have no access to a phone ..but Do to a computer?

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2006-10-10, 12:00:52
anonymous from Netherlands  



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2006-10-12, 02:26:42
[hidden] from Indonesia  
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Hi Guys,regret to know all the mis-fortune.
Myself had got a rather different way to know a Russian girl or lady.
It had proven to be workable for writer.(Asian man,not chinese and 167 cm of height)
1.Visit places that group of Russian Tourist are visiting.
(In Thailand i.e. Pattaya,Phuket etc.)
2.Try yr charm there to know anyone from that group.
3.Befriended with them and LO, u got a real Russian connection.
4.Not long they will accept you in their circle and began to accept you as theirs.
Writer spend time about 30 days in Thailand and for this scheme to work out.

Now writer is in constant contact with at least 3 (three) Russian beuaties whose age is 25,22 and 29 yo respectively.(writer is 51 yo)
Had also spend some private holidays with them also (one at a time)
-private because it is only for the 2 of us,mostly in Asean countries,though had recently in 2006 ever spend about 10 days with the 29 yo lady in Instanbul,Turkey area-

These ladys gave best info,such as ;
-aa)Computers are still scarce in most area of Russia.
+Legit lady DONOT post themselves in the internet,only very few exception can do that.
+Legit lady -some- do have e-mail address but CAN'T response that fast.
-bb)Telephone line are the same condition but now plenty of Cell-phones available.
+Easy to know if they are scammer or for real.
-Those people who joins any tour travelling outside Russia,are those who are really working and get rather good income and are more open other culture.
(a lot of lady worker are earning LESS than USD 200/mo,especially in Rural area)

Last but not least for those who are really trying to get their mate through the internet should also INVEST their time and money to say meet with the prospect lady somewhere out of Russia.

Russia government can give OVIR visa to them to leave the country and you can see meet them in which ever destination that AEROFLOT has an office.
(better make it where Russian DONOT need VISA to enter that country)
After making all confirmation that you will pay all expenses in AEROFLOT's office in that particular city and country,providing them/AEROFLOT officer in that office that you are legitimate and has CASH to settle for expenses before any arrangement can be done.

Expenses included are ;
-Return ticket fare Moscow-XXX.
-Cost of making (both) Domestic and International passport.
-Cost of processing OVIR visa.
-Cost of supporting letter for the lady for imigration in destination airport.
-Cost of other.(be carefull,pls discuss and agree on all cost before hand)

Writer just like to share experience not to those really in NEED.

All of the above just started in year 2004,when writer was about to get divorce after 24 years of marriage.Writer nationality isnot Thailand.

Additional info ;
-Kazan is where Russian made their MIKOYAN helicopter.
(one type is MI-24 or known as HIND in western military,the helicopter in RAMBO III)
-Izhevsk is where Russian make their famous 'Kalasnikov' assault riffle.
-The 29 yo lady originated from central Siberia,no children.
-The 22 yo lady lived in Moscow,no children.
-The 25 yo lady lived in Vladivostok,with a '7 yo' son.
(now she had open a 'very' small store of IT supplies in one of the mall)

Hope writer info is usefull to those in NEED.

Brgds/


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