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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-06-04, 04:53:06
Eddie from Sweden  
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs...ts/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksa..mmers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .


'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fianc�e did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet caf�s are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru..ument.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usemb..d=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
2009-06-04, 08:58:39
OJAS from United States  
Welcome back Eddie,
I see your post 2009-06-04, 04:49:15 addressed to the Admin. Can you give his article date / time stamp, regarding
why on earth can't a Russian girl leave Russia? This isn't the Cold War
Less than a year ago, a good Russian friend (not a rich girl) visited Seattle on tourist visa. http://www.delphifa..=205#96536
2009-06-04, 10:40:39
OJAS from United States  
About Russians' travel, this article and Dirk's update in the next may be of interest http://www.delphifa..?p=7#97525
2009-06-07, 02:50:07
anonymous from United States  
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Be advised that the lady in the above photo in the red dress by the Coke machaine is a fraud. She contact me after getting my information from a dating website. We talked for over a week and during this week she sent me a lot of provacative photos of another lady which look a lot like her, She use photos from TrueTere websites and then them to me and said that was her. This lady has not asked me for anything, no money or special favors. I know now that she is a fake since she pulled my the photos of someone else and tried to sat it was her. I am not sure what she is after but I am not continuing to communicate with her.

Thank you
2009-06-07, 15:55:36   (updated: 2009-06-07, 15:59:58)
OJAS from United States  
2009-06-07, 19:30:57
wanwan from Japan  
@OJAS
ha,ha,ha,ha,
ha,ha,ha,ha,aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
thank you OJAS.
I laugh my head off !!
They are good pianist,dancer,singer????
Great !!
Then I talk about my doggie.
I sing a song '' Let it be(Beatles) '',
my doggie says '' No your let it be ''but '' let me alone ???''
My song is too noisy ?
Thank you !!!

mata-ne


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2009-06-08, 01:22:07
wanwan from Japan  
2009-06-08, 07:11:28
[hidden] from Salem, United States  
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Morocco

To Everyone! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scammer Alert disregard anything posted by salahettaki@live.fr from Morocco

You have some unfinished business with me Ass Hole !!!!!!!!
Who the Fuck do, You think, You are ?
You posted my postings from the Bill Dorsen thread all over this site.
Why should anyone listen to anything, You post from now on.
I say stop, Your Bull Shit now.
You have something to say to me post it Mother Fucker !!!!!!
I will attack any posting, You attempt on this site from now on.
So, Your going to have to deal with me no matter what, You do.
You are not going to continue anything without getting by me first.

Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//

Look What all Your postings are going to get Ass Hole !!!!!!!
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2009-06-08, 09:22:57
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-06-08, 05:00:50
salahettaki@live.fr from Morocco

I don't understand what you want to mean.
1) frank coles is who? please tell me
2) 60.48.171.2 is what ? Whose IP address ?
3) Why do you analyze sender IP address ?
4) Who is suspicious person?
Please post your opinion on here.
I am waiting for you with impatience.

from Karma Parma Farma Banana man in Japan
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2009-06-08, 16:52:14
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  
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Wanwan

My Good friend

The Jerk from Morocco copy and pasted the above postings using.
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Dating Scammer Alan Armstrong
Anonymous 2009 - 05 - 01, 06:29:37 page # 9

Just as, He picked from the Bill Dorsen thread.
This guy is trying to waste everyone's time.
Please do not expect a reply to, Your questions.
This idiot did not make the original postings.
The only way to deal with this moron is by blocking, Him.
Plus spam button.
I lost count of how many postings, He made ?
I have attached messages on each location.
Just fallow the links with picture, I'm going to post.
I am more than done with this Piece of garbage from Morocco.

Kindest Regards My Friend Wanwan Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//
Mata-ne! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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2009-06-08, 17:00:56
OJAS from United States  
2009-06-08, 20:00:38
wanwan from Japan  
@agent86
Thanks my agent86!!
I know this disturbing morroco is a new scammer,spammer.
His aim is wasting our time.
Already I have hit the spam button.
If he will put his new posts on here,
I will attack.

@OJAS
ha,ha,ha, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Greareat doggie !!
My Beagle,,,,eating,sleeping,,,that is all .
Thank you !!
2009-06-08, 22:15:59   (updated: 2009-06-08, 22:19:44)
wanwan from Japan  
@my boys !!
s
***************************************************************************
just checking his IP address to see where he's actually from...

I found that he's actually from Malaysia ---- Seri Kembangan

he following IP addresses were extracted from your headers:
IP Address Probable Country Additional Info
60.48.171.2 Malaysia (Seri Kembangan)* Whois Google DNSStuff Urgentmessage.org
* The last IP listed is usually the originating IP address

Here is the text you submitted, with the IP addresses highlighted:
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7RD0wO2w9MQ==
X-Message-InfJGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+ Z3TmmkSEdPt3Mi6GgUSv7yYKHQgGfDe+2wCW4LegLegkYQav29Pp7Mm4E=
Received: from blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.111.160]) by bay0-imc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:11:10 -0700
Received: from BLU121-W45 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:10:37 -0700
Message-ID:
Return-Path: frank_olomi19@hotmail.com
Content-Typmultiparalternative; boundary='_1c17458b-f388-452d-b5c8-dc7dc7da50161b61ba_'
X-Originating-IP: [60.48.171.2]
From: frank coles

No wonder his accent is so WEIRD..
He might be someone from nigeria..

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Above copy and paste from Dating Scammer Alan Armstrong
Anonymous 2009 - 05 - 01, 06:29:37 page # 9

Agent86 is right !!
This disturbing idiot Morroco now is a new scammer,spammer.
It is the time to block this idiot morroco.
Our boys !! please hit the Spam Button.
I have hit it already .

And Idiot Morroco !!!
Stop your Idiot !!

Thank you for advices ,agent86 !!
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2009-06-08, 22:35:37   (updated: 2009-06-08, 23:00:15)
DOC from United States  
Hi wanwan,
How are you? Hope you are good.
If you could, would you write to Magnus
a few words of support? I think he was feeling
bad today. You would cheer him up with your
kind words. Mata-ne!

@agent 86
Don't let the idiot From Morroco get to you.
I will hit the spam button for you.
2009-06-08, 22:51:10   (updated: 2009-06-08, 22:52:56)
wanwan from Japan  
@agent86
Hi,my agent86.
please see this great post of OJAS !!

http://www.delphifa..=1#152056



@2009-06-08, 22:28:12
OJAS from United States

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