Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
update! this woman ive been chatting with says she use internet not in cafe but at home, i also ask her for picture of her outside her home or something because all de picture she send me are all done very profesional so i just susspect summit. she ask me why i need such a picture, startin 2 smell a rat now maybe
wanwan from Japan
My steve_dux,thank you for suggestions.
And instead of me,please try to trace sender IP address,
and show its results to Ireland ,I hope you.
It is OK ,steve ?Sorry and support me.
anonymous from Ireland,
Good to hear you are covering your bases. Have you been chatting on instant messenger? or just email? you see her on web cam? She has internet in her home but has no phone for you to call her. Hmmm.
anonymous from Ireland
just chattin by email, i meet her on a dating website called plenty of fish, and then we exchanged email,ive asked her about chattin on msn but she dosent kno how 2 set up on her computer,she says she live in the city of almaty and rent one room from old lady, and her family are about 2hours drive from the city so she dosent see that often.she seems genuine enough and hasnt asked for money or anything even tho we've been chatting about 2weeks now.she dosent use skype either.she has sent me loads of pictures about 30 and she looks stunning in them i must say,and i asked her about why they looked as if they were done as modeling and she says her friend study photography which is why alot of the photos are top quality. she works in a clothes shop in alamty and her salarie is 150 euros per month and she says this is goodpaid job. so all i can do is give her de benefit of de doubt for now, any advise or words of wisdom guys?????pam
Some scammers take longer to ask for money than others, they may not even directly ask but hint at it. You have been careful so far, that's good. I think you know not to send money. Be aware some scammers are gold digger girls they ask for gifts.
Comment from a new thread thats being started today: 'works on you for abot 4 months then ask for tourist visa ,which for russian girl is impossible'
Please see thi,s ,,results
IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
188.8.131.52 UNITED STATES CALIFORNIA MOUNTAIN VIEW 37.3956
-122.076 94043 -07:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DIAL GOOGLE INC google.com
IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 650 (USCA0746) MOUNTAIN VIEW
Th,,is,,result,, shows us '' Google ''.
But your girl friend is from Russia?
Something is wrong !!
And if your russian girlfriend(?) has forged her real sender IP address,
we never trace hear real address.But it is enough for us.
Forged sender IP address is a proof what she is a real Russian scammer.
If innocent girl never forges sender IP address.
So try it again.
wanwan from Japan
Please listen to me,
You have posted mail header info.
But did you post your personal info on here ? see again !!
If you have posted your private info on here,you must delete that.
Please email the admin ,page,number,thread's name,
and remove your personal info.
anonymous from United States
WHAT THE FUCK MAN ,
I JUST GOT DONE TESTING A PIC AND IT CAME UP + FOR A SCAMMER . CHECK THIS OUT RIGHT AFTER I CHECKED IT AND SUBMITTED IT AS A THRET ,,,,,,I RE CHECKED IT AND IT CAME UP WITH THE AWSER THAT IT HAS NEVER BEEN POSTED BEFORE ...... WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU BETTER FIX THIS
I AM BESIDE MY SELF LOOKING LIKE A SMUCK YOU FUKS
I E-MAILED HER BACK ( IT WASENT NICE)
AND NOW ( BECAUSE OF THIS SIGHT ) I JUST LOST MY FUTURE
THANKS YOU GUYS
P.S. THIS SIGHT IS WHY THE WORLD IS GOING TO SHIT , AND WHY PEOPLE
ARE SCARED TO BELEIVE THAT ON THE OTHER END OF THE LINE THEY JUST MIGHT BE ARE TRUE FUCKIN LOVE ,,,,,,,,,,YOU DICKS
To: DAVID@Anonymous from United States 2009-07-01, 13:10:34
Whoa Dude! There are many reasons why you might get inconsistent results from the picture database here; some might even be due to problems with your connection or computer.
DO NOT minimize the expertise of or insult the Administrator. This site is a VERY valuable service to THOUSANDS of individuals who have no other help to turn to after losing their heart AND money to their IMAGINARY ONLINE GIRLFRIEND or financial scam.
I am currently playing two scammers to the hilt that sent me previously unrecognized photos. ALL that means is that they have refreshed their inventory of girls pictures.With a check of their IP address I proved what and where they are I sincerely hope that your girl is real. However 99.99% that ask for money ARE NOT!!! So-Why shouldn't we be scared to believe. WE HAVE BEEN THERE! If you are lucky enough to be in the one/onehundreth of one percent we salute you and will love to hear your story of success.
I would really like to know if you have read the top of the very page we are on now and followed their advice step by step.
Before you try to contact her to remedy the situation; cover yourself-DO THE BASICS FIRST
Primer for first time users-
anonymous from United States
You have so POOR mind,POOR heart,
and so POOR HEAD !!
When I have read your POOR English,
I have laughed my head off.
ha,ha, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Your English is so horrible like me !!
And I guess you are not American man.
I doubt you !!
When we will look up your sender IP address,
we can judge you are an real american or a disgusting Russian Scammer.
Your behavior has a bad smell like Mark Gones,so called Mark Jones,What a smell like Skunk !
You must read a text of BadDog many times.
Because he is a man of judgment.
He gives you good suggestions.
I hope you will be got scammed and you will be robbed of your big money.
At that time you will come back and will post your miserable story on here.
David,,,,,,I doubt you.I doubt you are Russian Dirty Testicles Scammer,
and you try wasting our time to support others.
I doubt you ,David.
I doubt you ,David !!!!
I watch you for 24 hours.
You must apologize to the admin ,Mr.Peter.
You must apologize to this website Delphifaq com.
@BadDog and your lovely pack !!
I appreciate your so great comment.
Thank you very much.
wanwan from Japan
@my boys !!
Sorry I forgot removing this idiot from Romania.
This idiot is trying to make attacks on Dirk !!
We must destroy this idiot.
and see this idiocy face
email@example.com from Romania
firstname.lastname@example.org from Romania
y speak litle english,y speak french.y whant une beautiful whomen.thanks
All done guys. What a relief. It is hard to be kind to assholes. But taking a long look means that even assholes get a chance to be heard. Nothing is more fair than that.
Working an advance fee fraud loan scammer long and hard today. Furiously fast emails flitting back and forth across the Atlantic. Trying for ALL their info before I give any.
Thanks to Agent 86, WanWan, OJAS, Doc, Pirate, Steve_Dux, Fred, Floyd, Magnus, Klaus and ALL of you good people who spent your valuable time and efforts in helping this week.
What a good community of folks doing the good work one scammer at a time.
Pic is for Agent 86 for his hard work with our thanks.