Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
YOU BOYS BEEN BUSY TODAY PLAYING WITH THE SCAMMERS I SEE! I HAVE BEEN WORKING 12 HOURS TODAY AND SUNDAY. BUT STOPPED IN TO SEE HOW EVEYONE IS DOING. TO THE GUY WHO WANTED TO KNOW WHO SARAH PARKER, THE BIG BLACK BRUTES NAME WAS; ALL I HAVE FOR A NAME IS ( GradyH). THIS INFO IS FOR THE SUBMITER BELOW . . . AND HERES HIS PIC AGAIN.
anonymous from United States
JIM -JOE ARE YOU STILL HERE THOUGHT YOU LEFT FOR WEEK_END ANY WAY <WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT BIG BRUTE SCAMMERS NAME IS
DAMN YOU WANWAN, YOU HAVE ME LAUGHING SO HARD AT THAT PICTURE, THAT TEAR DROPS ARE DRIPPING INTO MY LAPTOP KEYBOAD, HA HA HA. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT PICTURE?? THERE IS A RESEMBLANCE TO SARAH PARKER!!!
WELL YOU GUYS TAKE CARE. I HAVE ANOTHER 12 HOUR DAY OF WORK AHEAD OF ME. SEE YOU ALL MONDAY. BYE. AND HAPPY SCAMMER HUNTING!
***JOE*** from United States
just stopped in to say thank you again for all your help. I have lost contack with email@example.com she got very angry with me when I sent the picture (gradyH) to her and told her that he would help her get the money that she needs,very upset that sweet talking God loving girl turned into the truck driver from hell and blinked out.so guys beware I think this one has been in here listening to us, and will have sex change or something, girls beware,who knows she will try again with me under different name and picture and story.
Still would like to be sure the real girl in that picture is safe.or involved
*JIM*SCAM*HUNTER* from United States
I KNEW YOU WOULD SEE THE LIGHT. THE PICTURE PISSED HIM OFF BECAUSE IT IS HIS! THIS GUY IS PREYING ON US. ALSO HIS PICTURE IS NO LONGER ON THE NET. HE TOOK IT OFF. GLAD IT WAS POSTED HERE. ANYHOW I GOT SARAH PARKER TO CONTACT ME LAST NIGHT BEFORE I WENT TO BED. I AM KINDA THINKING OF SETTING HIM UP. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HELP LET ME KNOW. MY TIME IS OUT HAVE TO GO TO WORK NOW. SEE YOU ALL MONDAY. TAKE CARE.
wanwan from Japan
Thank you for your very friendly message.
I got that in Japan.
I found one more '' sarah Brute parker '' in Japan !!
I give you '' her '' ?
See you on Monday !!
Take care and have a good Sunday there in USA !!
I love your good posts !!
Thank you for your time !!
from donkey in Japan.
wanwan from Japan
I know that you done ,good job,and did your best for others.
Already you have wasted '' her '' important time to scam others.
Joe,,,,if you didn't bother '' her '',she scammed innocent peoples.
Your action was very very helpful to others.
And you put scam reports on here.
We can learn lots from your scam reports.
Special thanks to you,my Joe !!
By the way
my Joe !!
May I ask you ?
Do you have a lot of spinach?
If you will have that ,
you will be able to find a real love like this nice girl !!
Take care and have a good Sunday there in USA.
See soon ,my friend !!
I hope you will find your dreaming girl on line .
If you will find a scammer,,,,,
please post your reports on here.
It will be very helpful to innocent peoples.
Today I give you an old TV show '' Twilight Zone ''
Today's theme '' Russian Scam ''
A character actress=Elena Antipina(an incorrigible ham )
fan e-mail to :'elenstrawberry' <firstname.lastname@example.org>
The Mailer:X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.04.7) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091
(This Russian Scammer,Elena is an active and rascal .I tried teasing her.I tried forcing her to show me her PHANTOM travel agency.She had to play a double role in cheap opera,,,.I stopped emailing her.)
Hello my lovely American Pee!!! How your affairs? Why you have ceased to write
to me? Lovely I very much worry, please write to me the letter... What
happened? I went to travel agency and asked them, whether they have
communicated with you. They to me have told, that they have written to
you the letter last week, but you and have not answered. Lovely please
write in what business? I hope to see your letter soon!!! With
tenderness yours Elena.
(A PHANTOM?? travel agency has come !!!!!!!)
Hello dear Pee!!!. We is very glad, that you with us have communicated. Excuse, that we could not answer you earlier. The matter is that at us was a lot of work. Concerning orders of tickets I want at once you to inform, that cost of first class tickets from Russia up to the USA makes from 10000 - 12000 $ depending on city in which it needs to arrive and airlines. And as date and time of flight. We realize, that you want to order first class tickets, that Elena would be more comfortable up to you to reach. As we can reserve tickets Elena on any number as to you it will be more convenient. As inform us please the most nearest airport in which it will be more convenient to you than her to meet, and provisional date of your meeting, that we could inform you about details of flight of flight. As if you inform us your contact phone number, that we could communicate with you. So to us it will be more convenient. I hope, that I with could answer all your questions. Once again I want to apologize for that that could not contact you earlier. Yours faithfully to you Dmitrii.
(Our DOC!! Do you read this mail ? How do you think of this price,air fare? A phantom agency said '' $10000~12000''.I want to know the going market rate of 1st class air fare from Russia to USA.Tell me !)
(I kept playing with '' Her ''.)
Hello my love Pee!!! I am very glad to see your letter again. Lovely
excuse, for that that I could not write to you earlier. The matter is
that the Internet of cafe did not work for technical reasons. But
today it has again earned. Lovely I want at once you to ask. What for
in one of your last letters you have written me such obscene
expression Please kiss my penis??????? What does it mean? Explain to
me please.... I as want you to ask, you have communicated with travel
agency whether or not? Lovely I hope, that you can solve as soon as
possible a problem with my trip and we shall meet you already
absolutely soon. With love and tenderness, yours Elena.
(I am not a gay,,,,,,.)
(A phantom agency tried scamming me.)
Hello Pee!!!. Many thanks for that that you have answered us. I at once have to you question. What class you want to order tickets for Elena? If you are interested with first class tickets they to you will cost approximately from 10000 up to 12000 dollars as we and spoke you. At present there are first class tickets for July, 30 of company United Airlines. But if you are interested with tickets of an economical class then we can give to you a wide range of airlines. On the account of translation of money resources to our travel agency, I today learn from our director as it is better to you to transfer money and tomorrow to you I shall inform. I hope, that I have answered all your questions. Yours faithfully to you the manager of travel agency Dmitrii.
P.S. Inform us your phone number, that we could contact you.
(I told him a police phone call,,,,,)
(ho,ho,ho,ho,,,,,,,a phantom agency has given me a '' scam flight plans.)
Hello dear Pee!!. At once I want to tell to you, that consultation at us free-of-charge. It is our work to give the full information to our clients. We can give Elena first class tickets for July, 30, a start from Moscow, at 12:35 and she to you will arrive on July, 30 at 15:30, general time in a way will make 10 hours of 55 minutes, airline United Airlines. Tickets while are, if it will arrange you, then it will be possible to buy these tickets. Cost of these tickets makes 11090 dollars including gathering. I hope, that I have given you the full information concerning flight. Yours faithfully to you Dmitrii.
(This is my scam mail to a phantom agency.)
Dear Mr.Dmitrii Stoliarov,
I appreciate your good job,
I thank you very much.
Then I will remit $11.090,00 via MoneyGram
in the near future.
I am already ready to remit airfare to you.
By the way I need some documents.
1)your passport copy,
2)elena's passport copy,
Already you know,we american can not do overseas remittance without your passport copy.Moneygran in US asks me to show your passport copies.If not,I can not remit to you from US.
And if you don't send me your passport copies,
I am sorry I can not negotiate with you about making a journey.I will stop to talk with you and I will find other travel agency.But it is unhappy for you and me.I hope you will send me your copies(you and elena)as soon as you can .
When you will send me documents,I will remit via MoneyGram immediately.
I am waiting for your quick response,thank you.
from American Pee,
my address is
Ablany field 200 MacCarty Avenue1901-00-10
(I have been trying to force '' Dmitrii '' to send me their '' documents ''.)
Hello dear Pee!!! Excuse for that that again late to you we answer, at us now it is a lot of work. Today Elena came to us and has allowed to send you a copy of its passport for travel abroad. Now I to you send her as I to you and promised. Concerning remittance, today I have not had time to specify this question at our director as I do not prosecute financial subjects because all financial questions in our travel agency are solved by the bookkeeper. I have no right to accept remittances or to carry out reception of money resources. You can transfer money Elena or if it does not arrange you also you want to transfer money for a straight line to our travel agency tomorrow I shall try to specify all concerning remittance to our travel agency and all to you I shall inform. Yours faithfully to you Dmitrii.
Hey guys ,thank you again. and JIM i will accept that invatation I would love to work this asshole up.I did loose my job past 2 weeks ago so I guess i have some time on my hands ,I only wish i could find some work at home do you know of any work at home jobs that are not a scam,keep in mind I am not all to good with the computer I dont know how to read all those threads and IP like you guys but I am having some fun with this.so yes I would like to join you to get brutes . I lost contact with sarah last night, and I put my profile back up in singles but did not put a picture up and changed my screen name so I am sure the russians will be coming again and I will post them. see many of them in here. oh and this morning I see my chat contact list lighting up again for email@example.com I did not try to talk to her so I think she will try again but she has pottie mouth now,and he/she firstname.lastname@example.org . I am having a problem finding you guys coments in here its like i have to search the whole web sit to catch up to you guys. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Harry McDaniel Ashwood, in Nigeria
DOC from United States
If I was you I would ask 'Elena' if 'she' could fly (Economy / Coach) LOL
from $8586 Roundtrip
6:50 am Depart Moscow (DME)
Arrive New York (JFK) 12:35 pm Fri 7-Aug
Duration: 13hr 45mn Swiss International Air Lines 1325 / 16
Connect in Zurich (ZRH)
Economy / Coach:
from $1089 Roundtrip
4:10 pm Depart Moscow (SVO)
Arrive New York (JFK) 9:10 pm Fri 7-Aug
Duration: 13hr 0mn Air France 1945 / 8
Connect in Paris (CDG)
OJAS from United States
Sorry about your job loss. Hope you find one soon.
Wawan, Ojas or someone? I have a scammer that's telling me they are like stuck in a refugee camp with so many millions of dollars they can't get to and need my help. Could you tell where would be the best place to post it? This is the picture I got. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Nancy Milman from Accra, Ghana
wanwan from Japan
@my Joe !!
You have put a nice and lovely photo on here.
I love this one,thank you.
You can operate '' photoshop ,GIMP2''.
It is Great !
And I am so happy to hear that you have decided to join us,
thank you!! Welcome !! You are new scam buster on Delphi !!
Give us your friendly hands.
1)Please come back and give our Joe some links
how to learn sender IP address.
You have put the airfare from Russia to US .
Thank you for your efforts.
I learn lots from you.
And scam agency said '' It costs $10,000~12,000.''
''make an unreasonable demand on''
My scammer Elena !! Take '' Economy ,please ''