Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
City of Brides
Name: Saf Tatjana
ID # 1250510386
Birth Date: 20 September 1981
Height: 167 cm / 5'6'
Weight: 51 kg / 112 lbs
Hair Color: Blond
Eye Color: Blue
Children: I have no children.
Sorry URL to profiles to long delphi kills em
wanwan from Japan
Important infos to innocent peoples.
To publish their scam infos is helpful to others,bothering scammers.
Thank you for your efforts.
OJAS from Germany
One try with long URLs would be to break the line ending at the first slash /
and advise readers to append the second line at the end of the first URL
Thanks wanwan, for your posts for newbies on IP faking. An immediate use for that is, 3 votes from different IPs bupkus horrible posts, others don't even need to waste their time reading those idiots.
Hey I am just browsing this site cause a guy at my job told me to go here and see what he was talking about... I am shocked.. I cant believe all of these girls are scamming us good guys out here.... Its BullShit if you ask me.. Hey I got a pic here of a girl Im talking to we have been writing letters now for about two months or so.. Is she scamming me.? has anyone seen or heard of this girl.. Her email is email@example.com I can tbelieve that she is scamming me .. But the more I read here letters about her being a surgeon at the city hospital of Kazan. OMG ITs so much more evident about my gullable self.. But here is the kicker about this girl... She actually has called and talked with me twice on my cell phone.. I gave her my number like a dumbass. But I figured whats the harm .. She actually called me from Russia.. I still have the messages saved... ? She also has sent me about 15 or so different photos of her and her with friends, also some pictures of her at the hospital, I mean do I believe this one , Come on now, Its a pic of her at her friends wedding.. Is It a real wedding? But the fakest of fake being as this is just some pictures that a clever scammer has created this story to get me to believe all this crap.. WOW!! im not sure what to believe anymore.. Please help.. She is to good to be true!!! MY Mom always told me ' If its to good to be true, It is....'
DOC from United States
Hey anonymous from United States,
Your girls a doctor and she calls you twice?
You call her at all? She have a phone? She
asking for money? If you could post her email
header we could trace her IP address and see
if she hides her location from you. You need to
edit your name and email address from the header
before posting. Never post your email address on here.
David from United States
Wanwan and all. I think the pictures on this post should be deleted.
Hi Guys, I've been emailing this girl for about a month now. Guessed she was a spammer so just played along with the game. Then I realised jusst how sad this is, a lonely guy, longing for company, starts to hope she is real. ruins the hearts strings not just the wallet. Any way I have not sent any money and have no intention. But now getting threating emails saying she has paid part of the fee but needs the rest. I ignore them obviously but not found any trace of her on here or other sires so thought I'd post a pic. Have 11 in all. She calls herself Nataliya Malyska or nataliya Truhiena. anyone else heard of her? John
wanwan from Japan
@David & DOC
Thank you for your efforts.
David,when you will find bad pictures,
please post '' Bupkus '' on that thread.
Thank you, both !!