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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-09-05, 01:11:21
David from United States  
roman.duh from Maribor, Slovenia

Not a good idea to put your email address here. Check out the following thread.

http://www.delphifa..=44#166919
2009-09-05, 04:42:05
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon from USA,

Real name: Yolanthe Cabau van Kasbergen, a Dutch actress.

http://www.youtube...pco3AKWTg

http://tineye.com/s..200df3fbd




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2009-09-05, 04:45:08
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Yolanthe Cabau van Kasbergen, photos abused by datingscammers




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2009-09-05, 05:22:48
gsr@wearwel.com.kh from United States  
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2009-09-05, 07:53:05
anonymous from Portugal  



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2009-09-05, 09:44:33
OJAS from United States  
2009-09-05, 09:46:06
OJAS from United States  
2009-09-05, 22:24:00
Magnus from Norrtälje, Sweden  
hello.writes to me about the scameers on the thread anna ogannisyan if you want.I am there.take care.regards from sweden.
2009-09-06, 00:44:28
David from United States  
Ojas, wamwam and the others. Help me out here. Never received a scammer mail like this one so I just put it here.

http://www.delphifa..25#169119

Thanks.
2009-09-06, 01:31:58
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
David,

It is a Nigerian 419-er (Advance Fee Scam). Got it too.

http://en.wikipedia..fee_fraud




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2009-09-06, 07:03:22
OJAS from United States  
Dirk, do you have a link to the flow-chart diagram? If the URL is too long, post after omitting the protocol part http://
2009-09-06, 13:12:00
David from United States  
Thanks Dirk. Still trying to remember all the masters here. Sorry I left you out.
2009-09-06, 16:15:17
anonymous from Germany  
Letter 1

Hello, Jon, honey! Thanks for your answer and photos!
You asked me a couple of questions about our meeting.
You know, I visited tourist agency today and I asked about our situation.
Yes, they told me that our region is totally closed for foreigners.
You can't come here. You should have some special papers to come here. They gave me web-sites for you:

http://goliath.ecne..tion.html

http://news.bbc.co...85576.stm

It mean - we should meet not here.
My plan - you try to get information how to reach Moscow or St-Petersburg or to Hurghada (Egypt). I can book trip on trust to these cities without your help beforehand. Therefore, we can meet first time in these cities. OK?
I would book my trip on trust as soon as you would give me possible dates of our meeting in Moscow, St-Petersburg or Hurghada.
Can you check your possibility to come to Moscow or St-Petersburg in near future? OK?
But I can come to these cities only if we'll have exact agreement you'll help me with such forced travel expenses as soon as we would meet, OK?
I think that Hurghada would be more easy in our case - because you have been in Egypt already and because we don't need visa to meet there. Let's meet in Hurghada? What do you think?
I'll be waiting for your letter!
XXXOOOXXX
Tatiana

mailto:Tatiananorilsk@list.ru

Letter 2

Jon, honey, it's me again.
I'm in my office at moment.
I have urgent news - I'll have a chance to write you back tomorrow evening only.
OK? Do not worry without my letters today - my office send me to Krasnoyarsk with short business trip now, and I'll return back home tomorrow evening.
My boss told me I should go to Krasnoyarsk this evening, to deliver some working papers to our branch in Krasnoyarsk, therefore I have a time to inform you about my forced trip.
I'll answer your letter from Internet cafe tomorrow evening, OK?
Jon, I send you my hot kiss!
Kiss kiss kiss
Tatiana

mailto:Tatiananorilsk@list.ru

Letter 3

OK, back to more serious questions.
- Jon, as I wrote you before, if we meet in Europe (in London for example), I'll need tourist package with visa.
I can ask about price of such package, but such way demand your help to buy it beforehand. Agency do not sell trips on trust to Europe.
Also, I should explain you - private visa application (if I'll try to apply for my visa on my own, without tourist package and tourist agency) demand my own visit to embassy.
British embassy demand it would doubts - you can check it in information of British embassy.
I know it because I have two girlfriend who were in Europe and all countries of EU have the same rules for Russian visitors at moment.
It mean - I would be able to fly to Moscow to apply for my visa (4 hours by plane from Norilsk) It's very expensive. Also, embassy demand a few days to examine visa application.
it mean - I would be forced to live in Moscow during a few days and to wait for visa.
Also, - we have no real proofs of our real relations. Embassy give a visa for private guest and demand real proofs of our relations (photos for example).
As you can see - it would be very expensive, and complex way for first meeting.
It's main difference between London and Hurghada - I can come to Hurghada without your help beforehand but meeting in London demand tourist package with visa
and payment of such package beforehand, because I can't ally for a visa without support of tourist agency.
You should decide what is better - Hurghada or London (but with risk to send help to buy such trip). I can take information about such cheapest trip.
Duration of tourist trip is not important because British embassy give a visa with validity 180 days. It mean - I can be your guest during 180 days (if you'll not run away sooner of course :)
- concerning chat. I have no own computer it's a pity and I use translating programme and dictionary to read your letters and to write mine.
But I'll try to ask my colleagues in my office about such programme. OK?
OK, Jon, honey, I kiss you and I look forward to your answer!
Kiss kiss kiss
Tatiana

mailto:Tatiananorilsk@list.ru

Letter 4

Jon, honey, it's me again! How was your day?
My girlfriends forced me to visit cinema today and I decided to visit Internet cafe after my visit to cinema, to write my letter for you.
Movie was so boring, wow.
I remember the first credit line and the beginning only, but vaguely, because I started to nod off to sleep, and I slept till the end of movie, and I want to tell you my night dreams were much more interesting and talented, in contrast to movie. Therefore I can't tell exactly was this movie good or bad, I think it
was quite good movie, without loud explosions and shots, because I was sleeping peacefully, nobody was waking me up.
Listen, do you like to read books? What books are your favorite?
I ask because one of my girlfriends made one strange present for me today - thick clever book about history of human civilization.
First of all - who told her I'm educated enough to read? :)
When I was young, and when I had a lot of free time - I've read a lot of books.
These times of light-hearted childhood are over.
Now I have a time to look at pictures in women's magazines and to read most interesting news in newspapers when I'm sitting in lavatory.
Nobody can accuse me of reading of books now :)
Moreover, if somebody will notice me with clever book in my hand - this fact will spoil my image of brainless pretty girl, right?
Well, I send you my hot kiss!
Kiss kiss kiss
Tatiana

mailto:Tatiananorilsk@list.ru

Letter 5

Jon, thanks for your answer!
it's good I was in Internet cafe still when I got your quick reply.
Jon, I'll know exact address and name of touristic hotel as soon as I'll start my booking. We'll have choice - or you'll meet me right in Heathrow or in reception of hotel (but I think in airport is better).
I send you details of my account.

1. BANK NAME: SAVING BANK OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION (SEVERO-ZAPADNY OFFICE) SPB-TOCHOBRANCH

2. SWIFT CODE: SABRRU2P

3. ACCOUNT NUMBER: 42307 978 7 5538 0000668 48

4. OWNER: TATIANA ALEXANDROVNA TIMOHOVICH

I draw your attention:
- Russia do not use IBAN-numbers!
Russia use own system of account numbers.
Therefore if clerk in bank tell you that IBAN number is wrong - you should tell him that everything is OK, but it's Russian account-number!
- Jon, it's euro-account. This account do not accept transfer in dollars or pounds. Your transfer should be in euros. OK?
- Also, bank told me that standard transfer will go from your country during 4-5 working days. Therefore try to make transfer as soon as possible and confirm me exact date of sending. I'll know when I should check out my account, OK?
I send you my hot kiss once again! Hey, we'll meet soon!
Tatiana

mailto:Tatiananorilsk@list.ru
2009-09-06, 16:16:06
anonymous from Australia  
lenamiss80@yandex.com This is the so called email address of a suspected Russian scammer, bi will attach pic. she fell in love with me after a fiew emails, i surgested that she come to Australia to live with me,she flew at the surgestion. she ask money for air fair's which i gave then money for componsation which i gave she stated that she was arrested at
Moscow airport as she had a dept so i fixed, i must have been a fool as i was taken by her buty,then she supposed to fly out on the 30th August, never arrived three day's later she surfaced, she reckon that she had an accident and in hospital.watch a bitch, i surgested for her to give me doctor's report, none forth cumming, i surgested to her to get her but out here
so she can make some money by being on the game $150.00 a trick i would keep and feed her, i would get my investment back. seem's she has gone to ground as inter pol has been informed also Russian police, i think she is in big trouble as she said in her last letter coulden't leave Moscow, wanted help, stiff shit i said bub.

David Australia.


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2009-09-06, 16:40:19
DOC from United States  
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