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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-09-14, 18:03:08
anonymous from United States  
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I have been contacted by a very beautiful girl named Elena, or Elenka. She's definitely foreign, probably from Russia or eastern europe as far as I can tell. I have a pic but I don't want to save it to my computer and copy it here in case it has a virus. It was a long email saying she found my profile on a dating site... I'm single but not on any dating sites... I find women the old fashioned way. :)
She says she's my soulmate and loves me, yadda, yadda, yadda. Here is her email address, in case you get an email from her. I imagine she is sending these out in droves:
elenkalovelonely@rocketmail.com

Her email to me started with 'Hello can we be friends.'

I hope this helps.
2009-09-16, 19:11:32
David from United States  
Anybody. How do I read the headers from a gmail account to find out where it came from?
2009-09-16, 20:13:43   (updated: 2009-09-16, 20:20:25)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
David,

These instructions are for web based email provided by Google (GMail)

1) Log into your GMail account.
2) Open the message you'd like to view headers for.
3) Click the down arrow next to Reply, at the top-right of the message pane.
4) Press the 'Message Source' button to view the entire message, headers and all.
5) Select Show original.

The full headers will appear in a new window.

In general: http://spamcop.net/..e/19.html



2009-09-16, 20:14:26
wanwan from Japan  
@David
http://www.delphifa..#comments
2009-06-21, 11:12:34
wanwan from Japan

It will be useful?


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2009-09-16, 20:22:21
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Wow! 43 seconds apart!
2009-09-16, 20:44:26   (updated: 2009-09-16, 20:45:50)
OJAS from United States  
David http://www.delphifa..2495.shtml has info on finding IP
2009-09-16, 21:30:51   (updated: 2009-09-16, 21:31:45)
David from United States  
Well, I could read the headers but not sure how to trace the address. It went to my account at inbox.com. Here is what I got. I removed the email address until I am sure.

(64.135.83.98:25) via
mail-ew0-f205.google.com (209.85.219.205:44333) with [InBox.Com SMTP
Server] id 909160845984.WH98 Wed, 16 Sep 2009
13:33:17 -0800
Received: by mail-ew0-f205.google.com with SMTP id 1so3392905ewy.3
Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h= domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:referferences
:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type;
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.216.29.130 with SMTP id i2mr1783048wea.206.1253136852318; Wed,
    16 Sep 2009 14:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <4E35DF01620.000009B4
References: <8b1219b10909161223p414e078ct1b8a81a5170e11a8@mail.gmail.com>
    <4E35DF01620.000009B4>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:34:12 +0100
Message-ID: <8b1219b10909161434p78c3296dl379020d99df84ca2@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: u there.. hi

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2009-09-17, 08:51:43
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
David,

I don't see the IP. Maybe the mail came from a network.

IP 64.135.83.98:25 is:

IP address: 64.135.83.98:25
Reverse DNS: ns8.inbox.com.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Verified]
ASN: 13645
ASN Name: BROADBANDONE
IP range connectivity: 15
Registrar (per ASN): ARIN
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 64.132.0.0 to 64.135.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): Monticello, Utah
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No

http://www.dnsstuff..3.98%3A25

Hope this helps.

2009-09-17, 10:08:22
David from United States  
That's all I got. I'm sure it's a scammer. Thank Dirk.
2009-09-17, 11:20:00   (updated: 2009-09-17, 11:22:34)
wanwan from United States  
2009-09-17, 11:28:16
wanwan from United States  
2009-09-17, 16:19:32
wanwan from Japan  
2009-09-17, 16:23:28
wanwan from Japan  
2009-09-17, 16:46:10   (updated: 2009-09-17, 16:53:06)
wanwan from Japan  
2009-09-17, 17:20:48
wanwan from Japan  
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