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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-10-05, 13:31:57
Donald,Trumps from Australia  
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@OJAS. I googled 'Nasha' and got nothing.
I googled 'Road Young' and got pages of hits.
every one was on a scam site, except for three on YahooAnswers, and it was about scammers

BUT!!! When i followed this link from the google search
www.onlinedating411.com
I got a warning from my AV about 'an attempted download of an infected file'
so I immediately closed that link.

@DOC. Thanks I will write to admin about the Profile I did with bad photo upload.

Report on my two girls:

1) LIZA
She has switched back to pleading for money, because she will die without me.
I told her of my own financial woes (VERY terrible they are) but she still thinks I am rolling in money.
Maybe I will tell her about 'Blood and Stones'.

Then again she does have enough to pay my airfare to visit her ($2,300 from here).
Maybe I will ask her to help pay me to go to Russia. HAHA
Actually it would be nice, because I do have a genuine woman in St. Petersburg I would like to visit. She looks like Audrey Hepburn in the 1960s. And classy too.

2) Evgeniya
She is leaving her small village in Siberia tomorrow for Moscow to finalise her papers with the 'Road Young' program and the authorities.
Looks like I will get the money letter within two days now.
I wonder what will go badly for her this time.
It would be nice to get something original.


Where do you guys get the time to follow up on all of this?
I am not working at the moment and I have a hard time keeping up.

Great job fellas.


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2009-10-05, 15:23:38   (updated: 2009-10-05, 15:30:07)
OJAS from United States  
@Donald,
Copy / Paste might save you time. http://www.delphifa..p=0#44054
Where do you guys get the time to follow up on all of this?
Efficiency, search techniques etc. improve with experience. Be patient mate, as you read more threads, in addition to scam articles, you will see articles on browsers, antivirus, search engines, and a lot more topics.
2009-10-05, 15:40:22
Donald,Trumps from Australia  
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My LIZA now has her own profile at:
http://www.delphifa..=0#174788

I will put all further posts for LIZA there.

I have also found her, and cross referenced her with:
Irina Polykarpova, Irina Polykarpowa,: Irina Krasivaya :
http://www.delphifa..=2#174809

@DOC, I have sorted the profile/photo problem wth admin. It is at the first link above.
Thanks for the advice.
2009-10-05, 15:43:31
Donald,Trumps from Australia  
@OJAS, Thanks for the link. I just might use that message to send back to her with the 'Names changed to protect the Innocent'.
2009-10-05, 17:27:48
OJAS from United States  
@Donald,
Congrats on the win by 6 wickets.
Some Oz threads, may have links for bookmarking in your Favorites, and send other mates:
http://www.delphifa..662.shtml
http://www.delphifa..771.shtml
http://www.delphifa..5189.shtml
2009-10-05, 21:46:22
derpderp from United States  
I knew it was a scam,but decided to google stalk while bored and ran into this thread.

anon@ireland and anon@canada both had pics of this girl.

She goes by Maria Sokolova, lives in Almaty, works in a clothing shop, makes 150/mo. The very same story posted earlier.

I've got a few pictures. one of which is probably inappropriate for the board, but it shows a tattoo, so may be useful.

She's not using the ladyblackhair@gmail.com address to talk to me, but 'ladyblackhair' was the name she used on the site I first ran into her.

Here's some headers, sanitized.

X-Apparently-To:         XXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com via 206.190.48.114; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:54:26 -0700
Return-Path:         <mariasokolovapet@yahoo.com>
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X-Originating-IP:         [68.142.201.73]
Authentication-Results:         mta137.mail.sp2.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com; domainkeys=pass (ok); from=yahoo.com; dkim=pass (ok)
Received:         from 127.0.0.1 (HELO omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.73) by mta137.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:54:26 -0700
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Messessage-ID:         <819809.67193.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
X-YMail-OSG:        tAC4nIIVM1kTBnmB7hyZt4kIUHyMkP 7KPPDdfLaXkzYxid8MAw4GQHQB9S14S145N1jEg0tl02EiXX0dKmE7uxdPtzz.h.zarcfP50IF5hGw. cisDzAzY8jtqK7ht8TlaL2XpVmbOfO6NF8Ifs0jzDZ2xcsD1WX6w0Sb2O5XU5XU. 9TvLsOEMYJtlQN7umUg2uCctyYesHcoXEhofm0PhBZes3dkZcb5wdYKbytZRciI3no4uiPHMjC5kQUCuMD2q1AHsHn0L3a827sUSha48g61cpq
Receivedved:         from [68.1.101.170] by web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:54:14 PDT
X-Mailer:         YahooMailRC/157.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3
Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT)
From:         This sender is DomainKeys verified
Maria Sokolova <mariasokolovapet@yahoo.com>
Subject:         photos
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2009-10-05, 21:46:59
anonymous from United States  
More Maria Sokolova



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2009-10-06, 01:06:08
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-10-05, 21:46:22
derpderp from United States

See her 1st sender IP address.
She has a Yahoo@account.
So it is so hard to trace her.
These days Scammers like to choose xxx@yahoo,xxxx@gmail,xxxx@hotmail account.
It is so hard for us to trace those xxx@accounts.
That is the reason why scammers love to choose those xxx@accounts.
But your girl tries hidding herself from you.
Suspicious !
It is a scam sign,so be careful.
And play innocent then keep playing with her for a while.




Sender


IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
68.1.101.170 UNITED STATES FLORIDA NICEVILLE 30.5055
-86.2697 32578 -05:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL COX COMMUNICATIONS INC COX.NET

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 850 (USFL0445) SANTA ROSA BEACH



**
http://www.trusteds...101.170+
(see this result ,it has a bad reputation !)


2009-10-06, 01:28:53
wanwan from Japan  
@@2009-10-05, 21:46:22
derpderp from United States

Thank you for your postings on Delphi.
And I want to talk with you on posting standard.
Off course I know you can judge the picture what is allowed and is not allowed on here.
You say

one of which is probably inappropriate for the board, but it shows a tattoo, so may be useful.

You regard that pix as a clue to search for her.
I know what you want to say.
So if you need to put such an inappropriate pix,
please try to use '' paint(microsoft,vista) or '' GIMP 2 ''
http://www.gimp.org/windows/ ( Free soft )

Next don't put nudity.But you already know that.
Never mind,and see you again.
Please keep playing with her.


PS
See pix below.
It is still an inappropriate or not ?
If so,please bupkus.


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2009-10-06, 02:08:25   (updated: 2009-10-06, 02:32:13)
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-10-05, 21:46:59
anonymous from United States

More Maria Sokolova

On posting standard of Minor.
Hi,derpderp from United States
Please read this site policy

Please do not post inappropriate pictures.
Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors

Can you find any specific & clear posting standard ?
I can not find any clear posting standard.
I regard this terms '' Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors''
as a vague posting standard.
But few days ago ,the site admin put his thoughts and
he doesn't prohibit posters from putting a minor's pix on Delphi.
So you can put a minor's pix on Delphi as you want.
If you think minor is deserving of protections,
you can remove such pix.
Off course it is your choice.


A guy has put his message on here.

Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors.



After the admin's article,we lost foundations.Now we have no foundations.
Can we say ''Inappropriate pictures include pictures of minors'' ???????
I don't know ! Now I am in a maze.

I show my opinion,please see the pix below.
It is my thought on this issue.
I have the same opinion .
So I don't post such pix.


derpderp,never mind and don't worry.
If you want ,you can put minor's pix.
If you don't want,you can avoid putting.


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2009-10-06, 11:35:02
wanwan from United States  
@2009-10-06, 11:25:03
jdxxxxx69@xxxxxxxmail.com from United Kingdom

Hi '' jd '' in UK
Thank you for your efforts.
But it is very risky to you !
Never put your e-mail address on Delphi.
Scammers are collecting your one and
will email you.
because they try to scam you for money.

Please email the admin and ask him to remove your address on your posts.

see here

Admin: ptiemann_2000@yahoo.com
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
page 357
and tell him about your posting date & time.


Be careful ! Never open unknown mails from Russia ,Africa.

See you again !
I am waiting for your posts !




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2009-10-06, 13:31:10
OJAS from United States  
@jd,
I requested that this article be kept in delphi to illustrate the risks of posting an e-dress in public domains http://www.delphifa..=2#174857

Beware, mate! You might as well be talking to a very ugly looking bloke at the other end, sending stolen pix http://dailymail.co..le-542276

http://www.delphifa..p=4#133895
2009-10-06, 14:52:26   (updated: 2009-10-06, 15:07:40)
OJAS from United States  
@Donald Nasha+Putin ...
http://googleapis.c..sha+Putin
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@Newbies http://www.youtube...zSyTu61v_4
2009-10-07, 10:22:43   (updated: 2009-10-07, 10:26:13)
Niko39@seznam.cz from Czech Republic  
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Dobrá den.Chtěl bych vám Touto cestou moc poděkovat za to že pro pomahate odhalovat Ruske podvodnice.Diky vaąeho serwru jse z jistil že pro i já mohu byt oklaman, ale nejsem na Štěch štěstí co se napálit nech ale jsou tu jini kteři bohužel uvěři pošlou jim penize.Ale proč vam pisu, rad bych poprosil o radu, píší mi i jine ženy jsou opět z Ruska nemohu z jistit ZDA jsou to vzít podvodnice.Skoušel jsem i email Jejich vložit do vihledavani podvodnic, nejsou ale ve vaši databazy.Poradite mi prosim,, .. Předem děkuji a budu čekat na vaši zpravu.Jarek


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2009-10-07, 17:31:06
DOC from United States  
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Good day. I would like this way much to thank her for helping to uncover a fraud Ruske. Thanks to your serwru jse of the pledge that I, too, can be fooled, but I'm not happy with Štěch suck leave but there are others which, unfortunately, believed them to send money. But why, I write, I would ask for advice, write to me and other women are back in Russia can not insure on whether they are taking cheater. Skoušel I also put in their email vihledavani Dodgers, but not in your database. Poradite me please,, .. Thank you in advance and wait for your message. Jarek
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