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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-10-16, 22:18:52
anonymous from Canada  



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2009-10-16, 22:20:10
anonymous from Canada  



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2009-10-16, 22:20:59
anonymous from Canada  

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2009-10-16, 22:40:29   (updated: 2009-10-16, 23:01:56)
DOC from United States  
2009-10-16, 17:17:50 anonymous from United Kingdom, (Page 364)

She wants you to come and meet her and is upset because you are doubting her. I never seen a scammer write like this. Go meet her.

2009-10-17, 00:03:11
wanwan from Japan  
@our David !!

I am a beginner on photoshop work.
So I respect your fine works !
And LOL !
Thank you !!
Have a nice weekend !


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2009-10-17, 00:15:29
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-10-16, 22:07:48
anonymous from Canada

Very good job !
And please put her FULL infos on here.
Her asking for money letters
mail header infos
address,,,,,

I was very suprised to see this photo !
Because she had her passport in hand.
She is a Gold Digger rather than a scammer ?
She has a BORIS or not ?
Interesting.


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2009-10-17, 02:02:51
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon from UK,

DOC is right. Go and visit your girlfriend.
2009-10-17, 10:32:47
David from United States  
Anon from UK,

I'm not one of the experts but from what I have read Doc and Dirk are. So if I were you I'd go meet her.
2009-10-17, 12:45:10
OJAS from United States  
Anon UK,
Only recently, I saw a scammer telling DOC, why it is against their culture for a prospective groom to visit ''her'', as it would be insulting to ''her'' parents. I can't readily find his link to post his excerpt, but I know why ''she'' says so! http://dailymail.co..cle-542276
2009-10-17, 16:03:34
wanwan from Japan  

Hello my love Pen!!!
How you mine the most expensive? I have concluded the contract with agency, I am glad that you can to help me the financial help.
It will be very pleasant to visit to me you. You see, that it for me will be unforgettable
Travel. I still never left in limits of Russia.
It will be very interesting to me to see your country and its sights.
I very much would like, that you have shown me cities of the country, I read about a considerable quantity of your country and saw on the TV,
but all eyes it to see absolute Other business.
I as have a desire to study you as it probably is better. I would like to speak with you about Various vital themes and situations.
I very much would like to study your sights for a life.
I as will tell to you. I will share with you dreams.
We can possibly make romantic walk at ocean coast.
You would like to leave on walk with me at night?
I will wait for your letter. Yours Olesya!



From: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home
Reply-To: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>




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IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
16.05.58.31 UNITED STATES CALIFORNIA PALO ALTO 37.4404
-122.14 94301 -07:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY APEXCOVANTAGE.COM

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 650 (USCA0830) PALO ALTO





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IP Information - 16.05.58.31IP address: 16.05.58.31
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per charon.core.hp.com.]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 1889
ASN Name: HP-EUROPE-AS (Hewlett-Packard Company)
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 16.0.0.0 to 19.255.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): Palo Alto, California
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 16.05.58.31




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2009-10-17, 16:07:45
wanwan from Japan  

Hello my love!!!
How you? I all time think of you. I wait for your letter, but you have not written to me. I wait for your letter.
Always yours Olesya.


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2009-10-17, 16:17:30
wanwan from Japan  

Hello my love Pen!!!
How you? I'm fine, I have sent regards from you to my mum, it as sends regards to you.
I have concluded the contract with travel agency on August, 18th, to me have told that my documents will be ready from 5 till 15 days,
to me would tell that I would come to travel agency on Tuesday on August,
25th what to give them money for services of agency and to learn precisely when from me all documents will be ready.
I hope you would will help me financial help what to give money to travel agency till August, 25th.
After all documents will be ready I would will go to Moscow what to take away my visa, the visa stands out only in Moscow.
After I will receive the visa I buy the ticket and I go to you. I see very glad that I can you the eyes, I can embrace and kiss you!
I wait for your letter, always yours Olesya.



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IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
21.03.31.19 UNITED STATES OHIO COLUMBUS 39.986
-82.988 43218 -04:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL DOD NETWORK INFORMATION CENTER ARMY.MIL

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 614 (USOH0212) COLUMBUS






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IP Information - 21.03.31.19 IP address: 21.03.31.19
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per a.root-servers.net.]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 0
ASN Name: IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): Unknown
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 20.0.0.0 to 21.255.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): Columbus, Ohio
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: BOGUS
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 21.03.31.19



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2009-10-17, 16:30:44
wanwan from Japan  

Hello my love Pen!!!
I am very glad to see your letter! How you? Why you so long did not write to me???
My documents will be ready on September, 2nd.
On Tuesday I went to travel agency and talked to the manager, I have explained that I wait for the financial help from you and
I can not give them money yet, he would tell to me that I have found money by September, 2nd differently I can receive the penalty.
I have made a passport copy as you and asked. I will wait for your news!
Yours Olesya.


(I asked for her passport but she denied my request.So I ignored her.
I did not email her.She felt rushed.Finally she sent me her fake passport.LOL !)


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IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
28.11.17.33 UNITED STATES OHIO COLUMBUS 39.986
-82.988 43218 -04:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL DOD NETWORK INFORMATION CENTER ARMY.MIL

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 614 (USOH0212) COLUMBUS




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IP Information - 28.11.17.33 IP address: 28.11.17.33
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 0
ASN Name: IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): Unknown
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 28.0.0.0 to 29.255.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): Columbus, Ohio
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: BOGUS
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 28.11.17.33

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2009-10-17, 16:40:11
wanwan from Japan  

Hello fine Pen!
How you? Today I went shopping and chose for you a souvenir, I am assured that you will like this souvenir which I has bought for you.
Pen I have no phone, you can give me your number and I will call you from point of negotiations, tell when you can send me the finance?
Now at us time 22:15 and I wish to lay down to sleep, I wait for your prompt reply yours Olesya.



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IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
30.11.18.41 UNITED STATES OHIO COLUMBUS 39.986
-82.988 43218 -04:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL DOD NETWORK INFORMATION CENTER ARMY.MIL

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 614 (USOH0212) COLUMBUS





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IP Information - 30.11.18.41IP address: 30.11.18.41
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 0
ASN Name: IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): Unknown
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 30.0.0.0 to 30.255.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): Columbus, Ohio
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 30.11.18.41



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2009-10-17, 16:42:29
David from United States  
Wanwan and Miss Marple from Sweden

Another pretty picture for you.


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