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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2009-10-18, 14:49:34   (updated: 2009-10-18, 15:04:21)
wanwan from Japan  





Sender


IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
24.11.11.09 UNITED STATES PENNSYLVANIA PHILADELPHIA 39.9302
-75.216 19019 -04:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL COMCAST CABLE COMMUNICATIONS COMCAST.NET

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
1 215/610 (USPA0381) DARBY




IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
91.144.161.188 RUSSIAN FEDERATION MARIY-EL YOSHKAR-OLA 56.637
47.871 - +04:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL ZAO COMPANY ER-TELECOM YOSHKAR-OLA ADDRESS SPACE YOLADOM.RU

IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
7 - (RSXX0186) KOZ'MODEM'JANSK






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IP Information - 91.144.161.188 IP address: 91.144.161.188
Reverse DNS: net161.144.91-188.yoladom.ru.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname net161.144.91-188.yoladom.ru. does not exist]
ASN: 41786
ASN Name: ERTH-YOLA-AS (ZAO 'ER-Telecom' Company' Yoshkar-Ola ISP AS)
IP range connectivity: 2
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): RU [Russian Federation]
Country Currency: RUR [Russia Rubles]
Country IP Range: 91.144.128.0 to 91.144.191.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Yoshkar-Ola, Mariy-El
Country (per outside source): RU [Russian Federation]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: BOGUS
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 91.144.161.188


http://www.trusteds..11.11.09+



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http://www.trusteds..161.188++



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2009-10-18, 14:49:46
David from United States  
Wanwan: Your Olesya



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2009-10-18, 15:21:24
wanwan from Japan  
From: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home
Reply-To: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
She lives in Yoshakr-Ola.


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2009-10-18, 15:24:11
wanwan from Japan  
From: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home
Reply-To: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
She lives in Yoshakr-Ola


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2009-10-18, 15:26:54
wanwan from Japan  
From: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home
Reply-To: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
She lives in Yoshakr-Ola


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2009-10-18, 15:28:06
wanwan from Japan  
From: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home
Reply-To: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
She lives in Yoshakr-Ola


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2009-10-18, 15:30:43
wanwan from Japan  
From: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home
Reply-To: Olesya <olesyanas@gmail.com>
She lives in Yoshakr-Ola


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2009-10-18, 19:14:40
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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Hi guys I am an absolute novice in all of this but I am learning fast!! I think that the ' love of my life' is a scammer. I am not on any dating sites I did try one in the UK 4 or 5 years ago for a few months but none since. I received an email to my work address saying that I was a match for her profile and her agency had contacted me but she was not sure.I saw the picture she sent, (I now have 10) and was very flatterd that I had a chance to correspond with her.15 emails on we are almost married to hear her talk and I must admit that until today I was very engrossed in 'HER?' In the first letter she gave her personal email address and her age , date of birth, town just outside St Petersburg and said she was a hairdresser and named the salon.She also said that she told her agency that she would write her own letters because they charge a lot for that service. She said she spoke English and her native Russian and she used the translator on her computer at the internet cafe to write to me. I must say that the letters from 'her?' were convincing for a novice like me as she always responded to my comments and had obviously read all that I had said. However what has set the alarm bells ringing is reading loads of comments on these pages and thinking with my head for a change! She is going to her travel agent today to find out what she needs to do to visit me. She refused my offer to go there first.I must say that the letters are very convincing BUT she said that she was going to Cheboksary to the travel agents!! She lives approximately 50 miles fro St Petersburg supposedly AND WANTS TO TRAVEL 500 MILES TO CHEBOKSARY??? What do you think guys scammer or not ?? I would appreciate your views.
thanks,
Brian.


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2009-10-18, 19:40:51
wanwan from Japan  
@2009-10-18, 19:14:40
anonymous from United Kingdom




Hi ,Brian !
At first,you open her mail header .
2nd ) see the X-mailer !
3rd )if you find this words '' X-Mailer: The Bat! ''

It is a 99% Russian Scam !


Further,,,,,
Try to check her sender IP address with a tracing tool
here,
http://www.find-ip-..l_headers
You open her mail header,then copy her mail header informations,
paste it on that tracing tool.Finally you can see her sender IP address.

and more
When you get her sender IP address,
try it ,
http://www.dnsstuff..type=free
http://www.trusteds../feedback
You can find her sender IP's reputation.

You can judge her as a real scammer or not !
Try it !

If,,,,,
you can not do that,
please copy & paste her mail header on here.
contributors will try to trace her.
At that time never put your personal infos,ok?
edit your info out.

thank you !
2009-10-18, 19:59:48
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
IP Addresses 91.144.161.xxx are still in use? Guess, 'Olesya' was out of town for a while! LOL

http://www.delphifa..020.shtml

2009-10-18, 20:05:41
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon from UK,

She refused my offer to go there first.I must say that the letters are very convincing BUT she said that she was going to Cheboksary to the travel agents!! She lives approximately 50 miles fro St Petersburg supposedly AND WANTS TO TRAVEL 500 MILES TO CHEBOKSARY???


It's a scammer!

You can email me in private. The address is under the envelope on top of this comment.
2009-10-18, 20:21:16
wanwan from Japan  
@Dirk

Thank you for your advices on Olesya.
I had been scamming her from March to September(9/28).
She was using '' 91.144.161.175 RUSSIAN FEDERATION MARIY-EL YOSHKAR-OLA ''.
She is still in Yoshkar-Ola?
2009-10-18, 20:26:18
OJAS from United States  
2009-10-18, 20:35:32
wanwan from Japan  
Olesya




Sender

IP AddressCountryRegionCityLatitude/
LongitudeZIP CodeTime Zone
91.144.161.166 RUSSIAN FEDERATIONMARIY-ELYOSHKAR-OLA56.637
47.871-+04:00
Net SpeedISPDomain
DSLZAO COMPANY ER-TELECOM YOSHKAR-OLA ADDRESS SPACEYOLADOM.RU

IDD CodeArea CodeWeather Station
7-(RSXX0186) KOZ'MODEM'JANSK


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IP Information - 91.144.161.166IP address: 91.144.161.166
Reverse DNS: net161.144.91-166.yoladom.ru.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Could be forged: hostname net161.144.91-166.yoladom.ru. does not exist]
ASN: 41786
ASN Name: ERTH-YOLA-AS (ZAO 'ER-Telecom' Company' Yoshkar-Ola ISP AS)
IP range connectivity: 2
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): RU [Russian Federation]
Country Currency: RUR [Russia Rubles]
Country IP Range: 91.144.128.0 to 91.144.191.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Yoshkar-Ola, Mariy-El
Country (per outside source): RU [Russian Federation]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.ripe.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 91.144.161.166


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http://www.trusteds..44.161.166


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