Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Plus aimant et aime!
Tant que je ne l'ai pas fait, j'etais juste vos doigts volent sur le clavier. Je vous ecrire une lettre, ecrire une lettre a son
Beloved.! Et comment puis-je pas ecrire ... Et ce qui est avec moi la nuit si je n'ecrivais pas a vous ce soir? ... J'aime
vous, Je t'aime, mon garcon, la neige, je ne peux pas repeter, encore et encore. I LOVE !!!!! Qu'est-ce que les mesures du pied, mon amour, et blanc,
que j'aimais. Je me plaisais a dire au monde entier ce que je leur ai une belle, je veux dire a tout le corps qui se developpe comme je suis conscient de la
Fait que vous etes. Je n'ai jamais eu a souffrir, et se nourrit jamais ... rien ne peut rei-moi de vous? s, vous etes ma vie, ma
Gluck, mes esperances. Je ne peux imaginer ma vie avec personne d'autre que Lui? You. Je veux etre intelligent, meme, douce, verstandnisvoll, sexuelle seulement
pour votre favori. Mon coeur sourit quand je vois votre lettre.
J'ai aime vous savez que Je t'aime, really love
et parfois je pense que beaucoup, beaucoup est.
J'espere que vous me croyez, et vous serez en confiance. Je t'aime tellement et ne voulez pas vous dans un tel petit moment
perdre. Je n'aimais pas que vous n'avez pas confiance en moi et je n'aimais pas. J'espere que vous m'aimez, et vous allez me faire confiance.
Je wei? pas ce qui est paport faire je serai pret a la semaine slduyuschey. Je serai un passeport. Mais avant de vous paport je veux votre argent
immediatement Pa? et vous a ete donne mon amour sera elevee. J'espere que vous me comprenez et que vous allez me croire. J'aime tant
vous et veut etre avec vous. J'espere pour toi mon amour. J'espere que vous etes votre sentiment identique a la mienne. Je suis content que je ne
avez trouve. Et maintenant, si vous me dites que vous ne m'aimez pas et croyez moi, il etait tres mauvaise. Je ne peux pas si facilement
. Sitting J'ai les larmes coulent. J'espere que vous comprenez a comprendre mon etat et mes sentiments pour vous. Une fois, je n'avais personne d'echanger et de
Vous ne voulez pas ma mort prefere. Je pourrais vous voir et c'est vrai. Je veux remplacer n'importe qui. Je t'aime!
J'ai besoin d'argent, parce que ce qui se passait a la douane. J'espere que vous comprendrez que je ne suis pas l'argent qui vous sera pas envoye a depenser
volonte. Je leur montre a la douane et je viens a vous avec l'argent que vous me ferez parvenir. J'espere que vous comprenez ce que je vous donne l'argent au
Arrivee a vous. Parce que je ne vais pas depenser l'argent quelque part. Je viendrai a toi, et les livrer a vous, mais si je te donne,
alors vous pouvez envisager d'ecrire pour vous inquietez pas la facon de rembourser le pret. Nous aurons l'argent. J'espere que vous me comprenez tres bien et tu me fais
confiance a mon amour. Je t'aime tellement, et je dois perdre, peur de vous.
Abschlie? Fin J'ai aime ma lettre, et attendra votre reponse. J'espere que vous me repondre des que possible. J'ai tant d'amour
pour consulter leurs mails, mais quand j'ai vu la-bas, la-bas? J'ai lu votre lettre a ete tres chaud au c?ur et je suis tellement heureux. J'espere pour toi mon amour. Je
Vous et vous seul Anastasiya.
firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com> This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Olga Chernova from Kstovo, Russia Dating scammer Olga Chernova from Kstovo, Russia
bitchhunter from United Kingdom
Nizhniy Novgorod, 603000
street: Baumana, the house 60, an apartment 46
email address: firstname.lastname@example.org
first email on 26/08/2009 last email on 10/10/2009
i think she was on a site called cherry blossoms
My dear ####, thanks for your fine letter, very pleasantly that for so much
to time we with you now can speak me about us. And about our life.
My love after I shall pay for the documents, all my documents will be ready during 8 days.
And after that moment we with you can be together!
Yes I shall arrive to you as tourist. because I think that it would be
better. And when we with you shall meet we could speak about the visa
finacee. that you think?
Yesterday I spoke you that I shall go to travel agency that all to
learn for that that to me is necessary to arrive to you. As I also
have made. I have prepared for you for the list of necessary documents
which are necessary for me in embassy for reception of the visa. You
do not imagine as I is happy because I have met you, and you for me
very much much mean, I want that we with you were together. I hope
that soon there will come that fine day when I can kiss you in the
real world when I can really kiss you. I want to feel your real kiss.
If you could see my person after I was in travel agency, it light a
huge smile. It is not very a pity to me that I can turn to a bird and
fly to you, through this huge distance.
My love to receive the visa to me it is necessary:
THE LIST OF DOCUMENTS:
1. The questionnaires filled in English.
2. The passport for travel abroad: the original + a x-copy of page
with a photo.
3. The certificate on a birth: the original, a x-copy, translation
into English language (about
Notarial assurance of translations).
4. The information on absence of a previous conviction and records it
is criminal character. In the information from Militias should be
specified all names, surnames and dates of a birth, with which you
Ever used. The information should contain the information on each
place (areas, territory, republic of the Russian Federation) where the
applicant lived or lives More than 6 months, since 16-years age,
including the periods of study.
5. Results of medical survey in the sealed envelope. Physical
examination can be passed in One of the medical centers accredited at
Processings of results of physical examination - about 2 days. Behind
more detailed information about Physical examination address directly
in medical the centers.
6.2 color photos of a fullface in the size 50x50 mm for the visa. The
image of eyes should
To be at a level 28-35 mm from the bottom border of a photo.
Photos are required in addition for medical survey.
7. Money for payment of consular gathering, and for registration of
all necessary information - $442.
My dear you could help me in registration of all these documents?
I hope that you can study the information, and inform me as soon as
possible. I hope that we with you shall very soon together!!!
Your love Elena
bitchhunter from United Kingdom
####, today I feel, that I start to excite more, than I even could
imagine. I am very pleased, that I do all this. And I think of our
meeting every minute. A meeting at the airport...
Yes my love I now need in 442 $, this money are necessary for
registration of my documents.
Tickets do not enter into this cost.
As my love you to me could tell the name of the airport where you
could meet me?
My love today after reception of your letter I at once has gone to
travel agency to learn from them as you to me can help with payment of
my documents. They to me have a little told that there are
remittances, and we can take advantage of them. But nevertheless they
to me have told that I have addressed in bank. After that I was
directed to bank to learn all about these translations. In bank to me
have told that there is a bank system of translations moneygram and
western union, and we as can take advantage of this system. To me as
have told that you were interested at yourself in bank about it. Well?
To me as have told that to be necessary for you all my information
which I to you shall leave below in the letter.
Nizhniy Novgorod, 603000
street: Baumana, the house 60, an apartment 46
I do not think, that it is a lot of people on our planet have an
opportunity to enjoy such delightful moment - the moment of the first
meeting at the airport. It is so beautiful. I feel, that it will be
very touching moment for each of us. I never travelled while far. And
I worry very much. But I imagine us together, and it calms me. I see
us together, I see, that we go in park; I see, that we speak about
serious and about silly things, or play cards or checkers (and the one
who loses, will execute any desire of the winner (smile)), I see
remarkable dinners of a house and outside! I see, what you sit on a
sofa with a juicy peach in your hand, and I see, what I dance before
you beautiful dance, or it is possible even erotic dance (smile), how
about Belly dance? (Smile). I do it is more tremendous! (Smile).
I see, that we float; I see us on a roof of a house, observing the
full moon; I see, that we struggle pillows; I see us in the evening of
a house, with romantic light a candle; I see, that we prepare together
Russian pelmenies and the American pizza (smile); I see me in your
embraces. All this waits for us in the near future; and I enjoy,
expecting this delightful time together! You feel the same, ####?
####, you would like to give to me massage of my back? I would
like to give you massage! But I should warn you, that if you want to
give me massage, you should not touch my edges! (Smile)
The reason - I the most ticklish woman in Russia (smile).
####, I madly am afraid to tickle! If someone tickles my leg or
edges, I start to laugh loudly, to kick and scratch, squeal and jump
up! Therefore, if you will give me massage, and you will tickle me,
you will feel like similarly to the cowboy on the wild not tamed mare
on rodeo! (Smile).
By the way, ####, whether it is valid you are ticklish? You snore?
(Forgive to me for this question. Do not answer, if you do not want.
Probably, once I learn all this all the same! (Smile)).
I hope, that you will soon answer me.
Your love Elena
bitchhunter from United Kingdom
My sweet ####!
I hope that we with you soon shall together because only near to you I
shall be in full safety and I shall be the happiest in this world!
My love today I went to travel agency to learn about cost of tickets.
To me informed that cost of tickets will be approximately 400 $, these
Yes certainly my love I could arrive to you on October, 9, but my love
that you think that we with you have begun my official registration of
papers this week?
Yes I can be with you two weeks it not a problem. My visa will be for
approximately for three months, and I can be with you two weeks. I
hope that we with you could lead the finest days together!
Yes my love I shall require in 442 $, for the documents and as in 400
$, for the tickets.
I hope that we with you shall together very soon!!!
My love, if you will be capable to call in - Tuesday or on Thursday to
me, I should wait for your bell at 21.00 and till 22.00 during Moscow
time. By phone +79600977346. I I hope to hear your voice today. I want
it, we with you were together as soon as possible. As only with you I
shall be the happiest in this life!!!
Thanks for your letter! ####, I so waited for this opportunity to
write to you because I wanted to tell very much to you, that today
there was something poorly, and on this time it - not a joke
unfortunately. Probably I should not tell to you, but I was so scared,
that I cannot hold it inside. Today at night when I slept, I suddenly
heard an awful sound of a breaking glass! I at once have woken up, but
I could not understand anything absolute. And during this moment, it
is direct in I wash a room the brick has arrived; and breaking}
glass of a window, this brick has fallen in several centimeters from
me. I so was urgently scared, I could not understand anything, and
simply instinctively I have rushed off on a floor} and have
disappeared under my bed. And during this moment other stones have
arrived in my room, breaking windows and flew down in my
apartment. I shouted and shouted. I at all did not know what to make.
Stones could not strike me because my bed protected me. But I was
scared so, that I have simply closed my ears my hands and shouted. In
absolute darkness some stones have broken windows and have fallen
close to me. Then all has stopped. But I continued to lay and cry. I
was afraid even to look out from under a bed. We have no here even
militia and phones. In my life I was never so scared. After some time
I however have risen from under a bed. I looked through the broken
window, but certainly I did not see there anybody. I do not
understand, who has made it and why. I ran to Svetlana, and I saw,
that her windows are broken also. And not only in her house,
but also in some other buildings also. We cleaned her apartment,
and than have come back to my apartment together. But I could not fall
asleep this night more. I do not know, who has made it. Svetlana
speaks, that probably it there were young addicts who simply had an
entertainment, because if who - that will be valid to want to cause to
us physical harm, they could enter our apartments simply. But I really
do not understand, why who - that has made it. Now I - was good,
####! I do not want to finish my letter with bad ideas. I write to
you the letter, and I smile. I am so happy.
And I hope, that the God will help us. After all difficulties, after
all efforts I believe, that all will be fine! I really feel, that I
have made all well. I worry very much, but my heart speaks me, that I
should smile. And I smile today. I feel, that I meet you and I shall
be in full safety. I feel, that the meeting at the airport will be
beautiful and romantic. I shall tell to you everything, that I shall
feel during that moment, and you will tell to me. And then we shall
leave the airport, and we shall stir and laugh. I shall tell
to you as I bore flight in the plane and of what I thought.
You will tell to me as you waited for that moment when we shall meet
at the airport. And then we shall have remarkable time together. We
shall go, carry out evenings, to observe amusing and
terrible cinema, - and I shall disappear under your hand during the
most terrible moment... We shall meet together the first beams of the
sun and we carry out a magnificent decline. We shall sit
about a window and to drink hot tea while in the street there will be
a strong rain. As I want to have breakfast together and a supper with
candles. As I want to shout together with you in stadium of baseball;
or simply to lay on a bed, and to tell each other about a life. As I
want all this - simple things which will bring to us so many
pleasures. If all will be fine, I shall begin the most difficult
process - preparation of my suitcase! (Smile).
But I should go! My legs shiver as though I the schoolgirl! (Smile).
Wish me success and think of me!