Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
It doesn't matter if you are being scammed by a girl using her OWN identity (very rare) or MEN sending stolen pictures (most common) just remember this - Asking money from strangers is a scam, see this Boris warning link http://ladies-russi..t/Scam.php
wanwan from Japan
@Rusty in OZ
Hi,how is your day ? Fine ,I hope so.
You already know Sveta is attacking against Delphi & her victims.
When you find her infos on internet,please post those infos .
Off course I know you already countered her there Sveta's thread.
Sveta is a REALLY ugly & a rotten fish !
The King is very happy to see your message.
See photo below !
Off course we are also very happy to know your message.
Have a good weekend !
[hidden] from Maribor, Slovenia
Beware of this bitch....She claims she's from Cheboksary, Russia....
But when I tracked her mail header, I got this adress....
The email sender
used at Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:07:09 +0300 the IP address: 184.108.40.206 from United States, Sunnyvale.
Email Sender IP address location & IP address info:
IP address [?]: 220.127.116.11 [Whois]
IP address country: ip address flag United States
IP address state: California
IP address city: Sunnyvale
IP postcode: 94089
IP address latitude: 37.4249
IP address longitude: -122.0074
ISP of this IP [?]: YAHOO
Host of this IP: [?]: smtp107.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [Whois]
Local Time of this IP country: 2009-12-11 12:13
Email sender email@example.com
This Email was sent at Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:07:09 +0300
from this IP address:
IP Location: Sunnyvale in United States.
Click here for a big satellite image.
So I've replied to back to her with question, how 's the weather like in Sunnyvale, CALIFORNIA......he, he, he........BITCH !!!!!!!!!!!
She's clever though, 'cause she has translated her mail into my mother language, and I'm sure she will translate it in whatever lanuage (She used 'uncle Google' for translation - That 's when I got suspicious, 'cause if she were from my country she could easily wrote correctly.....
Yes, I have seen a Russian Marina spell her name Marine. It seems a common variant.
I like to ask you a few things, but not in a public domain. Can you email Dirk (he also knows Spanish) with a request to send me your email address? Thanks in advance to Dirk and you http://www.delphifa..633#185397
ww from Japan
@2009-12-12, 06:45:09 (updated: 2009-12-12, 07:02:25)
RealMadrid from Spain
Just now I visited your blog and saw your efforts,thanks !
Those are very good jobs.
Guys can learn & search for many things on scam when they visit your blog.
And on your marina.
I don't know if she emails you back or not .
For a few weeks I am supporting our mate 'agent110 in France'.
He is trying to scam some Russian scammers.
We exchanges and do our best.
Finally,he has scammed his stupid Russian scammer ' Anastasiya '.
He sent her a fake Western Union receipt.
But he never told his MTCN(money transfer control number).
So stupid Anastasiya asked for MTCN.
We played with her,and asked for her fake passport!!
Today our agent110 posted her fake passport on Delphi,Bravo !
@ww hope you like the bottom 2 links I have just put up on the 2 blogs of ualadys and uadreams? I hope it puts the shits up them! A lot of investigation to get this
Advice - If you suspect, or have been scammed?
Example of an American Citizen and a dating agency in the Ukraine
Under both US and Ukrainian law anyone who benefits financially from a scam whether they are aware of it or not is complicit and are obligated to make corrections or risk being named in criminal and civil suits. This applies to both the credit card company and their credit card processor that benefit financially.
US federal authorities take a dim view of foreign enterprises, especially online ones, scamming US citizens. Sometimes when this occurs according to reliable sources, the best and most effective tactic is to go after the money, meaning their credit card processing gateways. The processors have way to much at stake to allow a scammer to ensnare them in their web of lies, and they cannot escape the long arm of the FBI if they ever hope to do business with US financial institutions.
It is possibly best to advise your credit card company and the online dating agencies credit card processor at the same time as reporting it to the Ukrainian police (or the country where the suspected fraud originates) and the National police force in your country.
Do not just leave your bad luck experience in a Forum - Report it to the appropriate authorities.
Ladies if you did not write this letter to me please advise me in the comments
Дамы, если вы не писали это письмо Джон, пожалуйста, сообщите ему в комментариях. (письмо в компанию без женской знаний / поддельные профили)
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The regional territorial subdivisions of the MIA of Ukraine - http://bit.ly/51NN1R
Presumably Dirk´s e-mail is firstname.lastname@example.org He now has both but really as my e-mail is published on blogs I am not too worried as I have JBMail and delete all spam and just keep selected scam to publish to warn the public
Soy Inglés, pero de haber vivido en España desde 1974, mi mentalidad es más español y prefiero el español malas palabras 'tacos'. Mucho más expresivo como 'hijo de puta'
You can write to me in English no problem Sin problema hombre!
WW from Japan
You said ''Marina = Marine? ''
You know Russian language has ''6 variations decline(Russian language grammar) ''.
Please see this
Анна Анны Анне Анну Анной Анне
'' Marina '' has the same grammer decline.
1)nominative case ''Анна''
2)genitive case '' Анны ''
3)dative case '' Анне ''
4)accusative case '' Анну ''
5)instrumental case '' Анной ''
6)locative case '' Анне ''
Thank you !
venezolano from Venezuela
Hola amigo. He visto que estás publicando emails en este sitio. Por favor no lo sigas haciendo.
Disculpa mi comentario, pero es por el bien de todos.