Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Hello again from me.....
The pictures I've posted earlier here are all from a girl that was trying to get in contact with me....
Again same story and all that bullshit.....
Here is the exact location from where the e-mail was sent.....
The email sender
used at Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:13:19 +0300 the IP address: 188.8.131.52 from United States, Sunnyvale.
Email Sender IP address location & IP address info:
IP address [?]: 184.108.40.206 [Whois]
IP address country: ip address flag United States
IP address state: California
IP address city: Sunnyvale
IP postcode: 94089
IP address latitude: 37.4249
IP address longitude: -122.0074
ISP of this IP [?]: YAHOO
Host of this IP: [?]: smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [Whois]
Local Time of this IP country: 2009-12-20 13:00
It - the pleasant unexpectedness for me to see your answer.
Now we do not know actually anything about each other.
And I am glad, that I have an opportunity to know about the person from other country and to learn, how your life. I think it - extremely interesting learning new people.
As I sociable, I hope, that we shall live,
And we shall find some usual themes to communicate Thus you know my name and it already the beginning of our dialogue. You so do not think:)?
To me of 29 years, and I am the only thing and I have no any children. I live in city, Cheboksary.
Many young people do not want to live in villages and they move to the big cities as Moscow, With - Petersburg, Sochi, Kazan, Ekaterinburg and others.
I was not in one of these cities, but I was in Moscow and to Saint Petersburg and I can tell, that I want to live there.
These cities are beautiful and have many interesting historical places, but at the same time they are huge …
And people which live there do not notice each other.
And for me directly I want to have expensive people and my friends around, and I do not want to live with people which do not notice me in general.
For this reason I can tell that I love Cheboksary my CITY Cheboksary for its atmosphere of small city.
As for me I would not object to move somewhere, but I need at least one true friend,
I think that I can be happy in any place of the world.
What my city would not be big, it is not easy to find decent work.
To me success as I have found work has turned.
I am a seller in a warehouse of furniture. I have the normal working day for the Russian person.
I work from 8 o'clock in the morning till 7 o'clock in the evening and I have 1 hour of a dinner usually from 12 up to 1 o'clock in the afternoon. I love the work.
As any person in the world I have the family. I live with mum.
We - happy family because we like each other and we always support each other. My mum call Aleftina,
To it - 59 years and she does not work now as she is too old for work. My mum receives pension.
I the daddy has thrown my mum when to me there were approximately 2 years and I did not see it since. So actually I do not remember it in all.
My mum has told to me about what it was when they were young, but she directly did not see it since time of break.
What your family history?
Your family, big or small?
How you live?
You have much from relatives at you in city or somewhere?
And you visit your relatives who live far from you?
I ask so many questions on your family because I think, that this information could give me basic knowledge about you,
As all of us are children of our parents and we - 'product' of our own family traditions.
For example I do not drink and I do not smoke, and I can tell, that I have no any bad habits and it occurs all from my mum.
She was always an example, for me. I ’ never saw, that she smokes or drinks alcohol.
She could drink only a glass fault, celebrating the big holiday or when invites to itself big quantities of friends.
Also, when I was small my mum always explained me as harmful to our health, to smoke cigarettes, to drink alcohol and drugs.
So in my example influence of my mum in mine a life an example.
How in your case?
How your parents influenced your life?
About, already it is a lot of time and the Internet of cafe is already closed.
On it I shall finish the letter.
Write do not hesitate to ask me, I shall not be offended, I am open to answer any questions:)
Still that in the conclusion, I want to tell, that I am glad to receive the letter from you in my letter box and I hope,
That you would like to continue to write letters. It would be very good to receive the answer from you soon and to start to learn about you:)
BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN YOU GET SUCH EMAIL AS THIS ONE HERE.....
HER 'ENGLISH' GIVES US AN AFFIRMATIVE CONCLUSION THAT SHE USED 'UNCLE GOOGLE' TO TRANSLATE THE LETTER INTO ENGLISH.....
ALTHOUG I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT THIS GIRL DOES LIVE IN RUSSIA, CHEBOKSARY....I'M ON THE OTHER HAND 100 % POSITIVE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT USED HER LIVE IN U.S.A.......
AND SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY INVOLVED IN SUCH CRIMINAL ACT.....MANY MORE INNOCENT AND NICE LADIES GOT THERE TOO.....BUT NOT ON THEIR OWN WILL.......AND PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.....
WHO'S LUCKIER THAN ME, IF I DON'T DO SOME CRIMINAL ACT.......THAT'S THE WAY MOST OF THE POPULATION THINKS......AND IT'S THE ONLY AND THE EASIEST WAY TO GET YOU MONEY......
My dear, I am very glad that you wrote me.
Dear my Gerropa many times, I asked his agency to write to you. Dear me, they repeatedly wrote letters to you, but you do not meet them.
Why do not you respond? My dear, you can send money without the agency. Do you have my address?
My dear, you can simply send money to my address? Without any agency.
If yes, then I will send you the following letter to me that you could safely send money. Okay?
wanwan from Japan
Hi my love Gerropa !!!
How are you ? At me all is good. How weather at you ?
I very much miss on you, my love !!! I very much wait for our meeting with you, my charm !!!
My ideas constantly about you, my sweet ! Each minute brings to me huge happiness when I think of you !!!
I have found the love - and now I the happiest woman on the Earth !!!
My dear, I am very glad that you wrote in the letter that you can send me money.
Here are all my data so that you can send me money:
Country - Russia.
City - Cheboksary.
The index of the city - 428000.
My full name Liliya.
My full name - Pavlova.
Now you have my full details so that you could convey to me the money.
As you have asked me how I will fly to thee.
My dear Geroge are all flight plans.
First, will I receive from you the money that you send me. As you promised to send me $ 5000.
As soon as I get money,
I immediately go to a travel agency to pay the money immediately for the documents and for the ticket.
My dear, if you send the money tomorrow, on Wednesday, is already on Thursday evening I will fly to you at the airport, which you pointed out to me.
Before my departure I will write you a letter, so that you met me.
My dear you all understand.
I hope you understand me and do as I wrote to you.
Dear me waiting a reply from you as soon as possible. I hope to receive money on Wednesday.
And I very much want give to you all my love and tenderness, That we were happy with you !!!
And my love to you grows with extreme force !!!
And my love to you gives to me huge forces !!! I so want to be with you, my love !!!
I want to meet WTF aka Peter Fu*ker rather than you,Liliya.
Hello my love Gerropa !!!
My dear I am so pleased to receive your letter.
It was very pleasant to read.
My dear how are you doing? As the weather you have? We have good weather. it was the sun.
It was very nice.
My Dear Gerropa I am happy that you can send me money via M / gram. I am so glad that I can be with you together.
Dear me, I look forward to the day when I will be with you.
My dear Gerropa! I will wait for all your data from you, so that you are able to withdraw money that you sent me.
My dear, I just went blank with another company M / gram, so that I could withdraw money without any problems.
Love my Gerropa!! I will wait for data from you as soon as possible.
My dear, I receive your letter with the data as soon as you send it to me.
Dear me, I will take a day off and wait for your letter in the internet cafe.
As soon as I get from you all the details, I will immediately write you about it after I go to withdraw money.
As soon as I take off the money, I will write to you about it.
My dear, I love you. I will wait your reply as soon as possible. Your wife Lilia.
IP Address Country Region City Latitude/
Longitude ZIP Code Time Zone
220.127.116.11 RUSSIAN FEDERATION MARIY-EL YOSHKAR-OLA 56.637
47.871 - +03:00
Net Speed ISP Domain
DSL OJSC VOLGATELECOM RELINFO.RU
IDD Code Area Code Weather Station
7 - (RSXX0186) KOZ'MODEM'JANSK
IP Information - 18.104.22.168IP address: 22.214.171.124
Reverse DNS: [Timeout]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN Name: MARTELCOM-AS (Mari El Net)
IP range connectivity: 15
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): RU [Russian Federation]
Country Currency: RUR [Russia Rubles]
Country IP Range: 126.96.36.199 to 188.8.131.52
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Yoshkar-Ola, Mariy-El
Country (per outside source): RU [Russian Federation]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 184.108.40.206
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