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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2010-02-06, 19:06:15
OJAS from United States  
2010-02-07, 01:17:28
wanwan from Japan  
A new info on Scam

Here
http://www.anti-sca..rs/1.html



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2010-02-07, 10:49:18
DonaldTrumps from Australia  
@ OJAS
That makes it even more clear. And it makes perfect sense too.
Thanks OJAS. :-)
2010-02-07, 11:11:09
DOC from United States  
@wanwan,

Good to see you.
You get my emails?
Take care, Mata-ne!
2010-02-07, 20:32:37
ww from Japan  
@DOC
Thank you for your message.
I am fine but I am so busy.
Emailed you back.
I want a car,,,,


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2010-02-07, 22:46:16
DOC from United States  
@wanwan,

Get to where you want to go quicker! Buy a car like this one...LOL ...
Only one problem....I don't think it's much good in snow.



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2010-02-08, 06:48:59
anonymous from United Kingdom  
@DOC and wanwan

Try mine, I'm selling it soon!!

007
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer SMITH ANDERSON



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2010-02-09, 07:13:32
ww from Japan  
@my boys & girls !
How are you ?
Fine?
I hope so.
This is NOT my joke.
I have a car TOYOTA.
On my way home,my car had suddenly been broken.
My car had a fire.
So now I must take a bicycle.
And we have much snow in hometown.
My life is getting horrible,LOL !

@DOC & 007 !!

Thank you for your recommendation
But this is my favorite,here.
What do you think of my taste?
Off course it is good taste?


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2010-02-09, 07:16:07
ww from Japan  
Or,,,,,,
here


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2010-02-09, 11:51:52   (updated: 2010-02-09, 11:52:40)
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Wanwan - This is my old banger!!!
007


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2010-02-09, 20:21:20
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Wanwan,

Why buy 007's car? You can have mine for free. LOL




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2010-02-10, 12:43:38
JJ from Spain  
Hallo folks, how are you to everybody? I want to show something interesting, sometime we can say the world is a handkerchief. In the vast Russia with millions of inhabitants and thousand of dating scammer 'ladies', always is something curious.
Have a look to the attached picture, a very well known scammer of this site, for me 'she' was Irina Vedernikowa, but appear with an other different alias.
This photo was taken into a car park (somewhere in Russia). She told me was living in small town called Alekseerka, close to Novoshahtinsk (Rostor on Don).
Well look with attention to the picture.


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2010-02-10, 12:49:49
anonymous from Spain  
Now you look to that other photo, same car park?, casuality?... no my friends, same park, even same day, (just have a look to the clouds and car on the background).
But this 'Lady' she said her name is Marina and is from Kazan, (very far away from Rostov on Don.... but now look to the third picture.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Mariya
Dating scammer Esther Ansomaa from Accra, Ghana



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2010-02-10, 12:59:26
anonymous from Spain  
Eh voila!! a picture send by Irina, and said this is her friend 'Julia'.
Are they both working together in swindler an other people?.

By now I attach her E. Mail heather, in her first letter is exactly word by word from an other scammer called Ludmila she wrote to me some month ago. Now I will see if this 'Marina' is sending to me photos with her friend 'Irina'...or what else name she call her.
Well guys have a nice day, good work and luck, I will have you informed.
Hasta la vista JJ
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2010-02-10, 14:16:27
wanwan from Japan  
@2010-02-10, 12:59:26
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