Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
this is what happen everytime she is caught....she stays with this beautifull stupid...face...
and then she says...I explain you in privet....
soo all of you that thinks ekaterina Guryanova is an angel....you are all mastaken
she is an angel in did...but a angel from hell loool
beautiful,sweet...and deadly in all meanings...and for much exitement we can think she can be...
mates...she is just a real scammer...
its sad....very myuch sad...
Re: Ekaterina <email@example.com>
Reply #19 - 08. Mar 2011 at 18:53
dear xxxxxxxxx dear xxxxxxxxx
I PROMISED TO TELL TO YOU ABOUT MY LAST TO THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT HAVE NOW MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a history of love has taken place with me 2 years ago.
This day was solar and when, I have gone to shop behind products.
I have met the girlfriend by name Oksana with whom we work at school.
We with him have got into conversation also she has suggested to go in some hours on a beach on to sunbathe.
I have agreed. And in some hours we have met. Have sat on a trolley bus and have gone on a beach.
When we have arrived was to much people. We have chosen a place for sunburn. We in Russia have special cabins.
Cabins for men and cabins for women. Where men dress bathing trousers. And women a bathing suit.
I have changed clothes. Also has told Oksana, that has gone to the river. She has told well.
I floated very slowly, I swim on a back. Simply I lie down on a back and foots I move the body. When I am tired to float, I have decided to leave from water.
And it became cold to me. Well because water all the same in Russia at temperature +26 cold.
I did not know, that to me to make. I began to call Oksana that she has brought to me a towel. That I could be covered.
But she did not hear. And to me has approached the man. He was presented. Him called Egor.
She is the man highly growth. Its growth was under the Russian standards of 175 centimeters. Black hair, brown eyes.
He has liked me at once when I have seen Egora before myself. He has suggested to take advantage of a towel which was at it.
I have agreed. To me began so warmly. I even have forgotten a cold. THEN WHEN we HAVE GOT INTO CONVERSATION.
SPOKE ABOUT MANY. We were GOING TO go HOME. Because time came to an end for sunburn.
The sun it was not visible any more. He has suggested to carry spend us up to a house. But Oksana, has not agreed.
She has told, that we shall go without Egora. I saw to her eyes, that Egor to her also have liked. But it hid from me.
Then Egor has left phone and has asked, that I have called him. Also has left.
To me began then so it is insulting, that the man which to me has very much liked, has abandoned me.
He did not carry spend me up to a house. But I am not guilty then was. Simply my girlfriend so has wanted.
I cannot argue with the good girlfriend. In fact we with her work together. Next day I have called Egoru.
And he has invited me to a meeting. I was very glad, that Egor have not forgotten me. We have met.
We talked. He has told where works. He works as the simple person at a factory. He was not rich.
He did not have many money. HE ALWAYS BOUGHT to me SURPRISES. SPOKE PLEASANT WORDS.
SPOKE THAT WANTS TO be WITH me. THAT was HAPPY TO MEET me. I every day understood, that it is mine the man.
That I at it the unique woman. We WITH HIM did not HAVE SEX. HE DID NOT WANT WITH me SEX.
HE SIMPLY LOVED me SO STRONGLY, WHAT EVEN HAS TOLD to me, to HIM SEX is not IMPORTANT.
FEELINGS are NECESSARY for HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is NECESSARY for HIM was it is SIMPLY WARM.
I thought, that we can create the big and strong family. That we will have children in the future.
At me in a head image Egora was only. I could not sleep without it. You understand, what such words LOVE???????????????????????????????????????????????
IT WHEN YOU CONSTANTLY THINK OF the to the MAN. You DO NOT SLEEP at the NIGHTS.
You WAKE UP at NIGHT AND you SEE ITS IMAGE. YOU WANT TO TOUCH ITS PERSON. TO KISS.
You SUFFER FOR IT, that the love in the man means. These all feelings pursued me 3 months.
BUT IN my LIFE there was a TRAGEDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT was CRISIS of my HEART.
I very much was ill. And I had headache in a head. I have not gone for work.
My mum has bought to me medicines. And I accepted medicines. In the evening to me it became better.
I HAVE DECIDED TO go TO the GIRLFRIEND. BECAUSE I was not ON WORK.
Also WANTED FIND OUT, THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE THIS DAY AT SCHOOL. I HAVE gone To OKSANE HOME.
WHEN I HAVE CALLED AT the DOOR. To me WHO HAS not OPENED the DOOR. I BEGAN TO CALL ONCE AGAIN.
To me the DOOR was OPENED by the LITTLE SISTER At OKSANI. I HAVE ASKED CALL OKSANU.
She HAS ANSWERED, THAT OKSANA is IN the BEDROOM. I HAVE DECIDED TO go IN the BEDROOM.
And WHEN I HAVE OPENED the DOOR. I SIMPLY COULD not BELIEVE the EYES.
ON THE BED LAID OKSANA AND EGOR.
I at once have run out from an apartment and have run with tears on street. And then home.
I have come running home and at once have rushed on a bed. And to cry began very strongly.
I wanted to finish a life. I thought, that the life for me has ended. That more in this world there will be no more girl by name Ekaterina.
I for a long time did not leave a bedroom. When there has come my mum in the evening.
She has seen me on a bed. Also has asked: What there was my girl????????
I have told, that Egor mum changes to me. She was simply in a shock. It was impact for her.
It was impact for me. And now has passed 1,5 years. I live with mum. I am lonely. I was afraid to get acquainted with men.
I was afraid, that the man to cause me a pain. That the man will use me. That he will play simply with me.
Well AS to me TO SHOUT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD. THAT my VOICE was HEARD by ALL MEN ON the PLANET.
THAT it is IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY WITH FEELINGS. IT CAN is SIMPLE LEAD TO to DEATH.
And now I have got acquainted with you. I began to trust you. I began to understand, what not all men change to the girls.
That you not as all men. You kind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You attentive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can love only one woman in the life. And up to the end of the life.
Well I have told to you the truth. I have told to you each moment of my last life.
NOW I WANT TO FORGET THE PAST. I WANT TO CROSS OUT THE PAST. YOU WILL HELP ME??????????????????????????
I WANT TO BEGIN THE NEW AND CLEAN LIFE.
I shall wait the letter from you.
Yours lioness Ekaterina
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anonymous from Portugal
i could say kid ,i am surprised
but i dont...
nothing new here,
everything real shiit...
poor Ekaterina I guess she will be very 'happy' or very upset....
she could cry or she could laughf...
but in way or another
its bad all this...
they dont know what they do to a person...what happened if one of this guys get realy upset
and go to russia after them to kick their asses in their wone house????
well we never know until what point a men can lose control...but i know where i can go far :)
its sad all this scammers they dont care about the heart only the smell of the money
that what it made worst all this time about Ekaterina
for much you try she always do the same thing decive you...to feet full her greed and her friends bullshits ..and boyfriends...all liers and real
i know brother ...i know :)
and to be honest months ago i avoyed this ekaterina to be caughted by a police man she was trying to decived...
she didnt scammed him it was her lucky...i convince him to quit ...
i dont regret ,cause same time i saved that guy ass to be decived...she can be very persuasive...
a smille and blink in her eye...
its was enought
i got the informations i wanted from him...
and made him give up...
Lucky Ekaterina Guryanova....
Im sory to all men kind ... lool love can be so blind sometimes...
2012-02-05, 20:10:00 [hidden] from United Kingdom [ This is Yuliya again the russian lady! ] >>> Be careful and consider the following:
Potential Russian brides may be real, but finding a sexy babe thousands of miles away on the internet is risky ! Unfortunately, there are always scammers ready to empty your pockets if you appear overly eager for romantic adventures. Check out the girl’s beautiful appearance, the photo may be false. Ask her for more photos that are not made in a studio. Ask for the girl’s personal information (postal address, telephone, etc.) and see her reaction. Does she ask for gifts? Find an agency that delivers flowers and gifts with 'photo confirmation'. Scammers hate this, they love anonymity. This will provide verification not only for her appearance but also her postal address and telephone number.
Here are a some thoughts to keep in mind when contacted by a sexy Russian babe who professes romantic interests and wants to visit you. If she talks about getting a visa to the USA instead of inviting you to come there - under current immigration law - it's a SURE sign that SHE LIES ! It's doubtful the Russian woman could get permission to leave Russia unless she has a fiancee visa used for marriage based immigration. In order for her to get this type visa, you must first visit her in her native homeland. You get engaged during such a visit, then fly back to the USA and apply for the proper marriage visa. After the visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and after all the guidelines are met, she can get a greencard to work and eventual US citizenship. If you live in another country be sure to check with the embassy for travel requirements.