Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
2012-04-11, 12:22:34 wanwan from Japan - She is STILL active ,LOL >>>
Ohh yeah, your'e right ! If there were some way to measure all the dongs that have been stuffed in her twat you could probably build a landbridge across the Atlantic !
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anonymous from Cape Town, South Africa
this IvorHello Dearest One
Darling I thank you for your reply, please do not be surprise or get offended for receiving this message from me, It is just that I have been obliged to lay a mere trust on you due to my situation here in the refugees camp, Let me first of all reveal my self to you, I require the best of your honesty after your knowing about me and whom I am, I really want and like us to have a good relationship in-spite of anything (be it age,distance or color) because I have this feeling that you are my man and you will not betray me,
I decided to contact you because of the urgency of my situation here and after reading your profile (which will attract every reasonable human),i became interested in knowing you the more and also to trust you with my life . I am ( MISS.JANE DUNCAN ) 23 years girl ft5.8. wt 54 Democratic Republic Côte d'Ivoire , i am the only daughter of ( LATE DR.DANIEL DUNCAN )
The FOUNDER AND OWNER OF ( DUNCAN AGRO COMPANY LTD ABIDJAN ) in the capital of my country. My father was killed along side with my beloved mother by some hoodlums,who parades themselves as political thugs they accuse my father of coup attempt ( which he never did ) In this last elections between President Laurent Gbagbo and his Dr. Alassane Ouattara election contested presidential which was hold 28 November 2010 and my parent where killed on December 05 2010 .
It was only me that is alive now and I managed to make my way to a near by country SENEGAL where i am leaving now as a refugee under a Reverend father's care and i am using his computer to send these message to you. I would like to know more about you. Your likes and dislikes, your hobbies and what you are doing presently. I will tell you more about myself in my next mail. Attached here is my picture. Hoping to have positive response from you soonest.
Had an email from a Dutch girl claiming to be from Amsterdam. Her name first name was not the Dutch spelling of it so I googled it found out that it was the Russian spelling of a common European name. Asked her about it, she admittted she was Russian but grandparents were Dutch and Russian and met during World War II. She used to visit them in Holland often when she was a child. The date when the Iron Curtain came down would have made her nearly a teenager and I guessed that her government in Russia would not let het travel to her grandparents at the time. However, I put that to the back of my head.
She sent me pictures of herself, very pretty but only 2 were of model standard and she sent as few pictures of herself in the same place which are not model poses. I received a few more but background distractions such as speakers and stereo leads lead me to believe that they are not taken from model magazines.
Tried IP address search but could only get as far as Germany before IP address started to loopback on itself with country origin unknown - I live in the UK. I've even tried pasting her photograph (model one) in google photo search and had only about 5 results back but only on 2 sites from a completely different city to which she lives in a completely different language and I believe its the same result repeated 5 times.
Any search engine I've used on her name has only fetched up 1 person being scammed by that name. Photograph is a mismatch however bank details are given as Moscow which is still far away from the city she gave me (1000 km). An internet invisible (deep) web search on her name has fetched up someone with the same name born the same year but in a different month, looks nothing like her and is on a social site where she's conning no-one, different city too.
I do not know if she is lying, I will not send her money as I've never met her before and have familiarized myself with the visa process for my country. She has asked and been refused by me and now won't communicate, but it took a while for it to become direct. The other thing is - I do not want the model in the photos (if she is a model) to get balcklisted. Nor do I want her name blacklisted as there will be thousands of women with the same name in Russia and, all in all, I've proven nothing to myself.
DURING MY SEARCH, HOWEVER, I'VE FOUND SOMETHING REPEATED:
Never give money to someone you haven't met.
HIGHLY LIKELY SCAMMER;
IP address shows Yoskar Ola or Mari El republic,
Woman falls in love with you within 2 weeks (probably longer)
Woman doesn't answer your questions (could be translation fault)
Woman doesn't give you personal details (could be translation fault)
Photographs are too good to be true
Erotic or nude photographs sent to you (ask: who took them)
Women mentions a friend who married one of your countrymen and had to pay $---- to visit or get married.
Woman writes to you everyday
(These are not 100% but a lot of Russians use 'the Bat' as an email system and send out standard letters to everyone they've emailed at the same time and this makes it so attractive to scammers).
SHE IS NOT NECESSARILY A SCAMMER IF;
She is a lot younger than you (a lot of Russian women marry someone up to 15 years older and a certain percentage will bypass those rules much like our women do)
She uses 'the bat' as an email system (the bat is the most popular email system in Russia
She tells you white lies in her profile (ie does not drink means hard spirits, does not smoke means easier to find a man, uses another country to get on a dating site (check whether that company allows Russians on the site - most of them do and they don't need to register their country as somewhere else)
The woman looks like a model (Russian women dress smart and like to impress their men and also other women, a bit like the UK in the 1970s, look in the background for things professional photographers would leave out like plug cables, things that look like they are sticking out of the models body but also be aware that they could have had a professional photo done)
She says she speaks English but the messages you get you have to work to make sense of (most will use an internet translator, if you've learnt a language like German before then you'll know about masculine, feminine and neuter, also Russian changes with certain cases and threy have six compared to Germany's 3 or English 2. Also a lot of Russian/Ukrainian women can read English but not speak it - I wonder how much of that is down to internet translater)
IF YOU ARE STILL NOT SURE, REMEMBER TO CHECK ONLINE DATABASES, GOOGLE PHOTOFINDER OR TINEYE, AND THAT THERE ARE ALSO INVISIBLE (OR DEEP) WEB SEARCH ENGINES THAT YOU CAN USE.