Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
15 posts - 2 authors - Apr 22, 2011
Hello XXX! I thought you did not answer me, but when I saw your mailbox for your letter was very surprised and pleased. The first time I ...
anonymous from Ukraine
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anonymous from Ethiopia
i gave them my full name what shall i do now please say somethig
Es esta chica una scamer?
anonymous from Austria
Heute erhalte ich Ihren Brief und erkennen, dass Sie nur glauben, die Worte des Fremden! und jetzt sind Sie nicht wollen, mir zu vertrauen. haben Sie Angst? aber ich verstehe nicht, was du fürchtest? und warum sind Sie immer mit mir über Kazan?
Ich lebe in der Stadt Kanash! Kazan nicht! und selbst wenn ich zu dir fliegen, dann werde ich von Moskau zu fliegen. denn es ist näher an meiner Stadt.
Ich bin froh, dass Sie zu mir kommen wollen. aber ich glaube nicht, dass es gut ist. denn ich lebe in einer Wohnung mit einem Zimmer. mit meinen Eltern. wir haben nur einen Ort, um allein zu sein! Verstehen Sie mich? Ich möchte all yours bei unserem Treffen sein. aber vielleicht vertraust mir nicht.
Ich bin zuversichtlich, in die Dienste eines Reisebüros. da ist die Arbeit mein Freund! es wird nie täuschen mich! Natürlich werde ich zwei Karten auf einmal kaufen! Sie wissen einfach nicht verstehen Sie mich richtig! Cost-Flug Moskau - Wien und Wien - Moskau nur 310 Euro! es ist viel billiger, als Sie zu mir kommen. Ich verstehe Sie nicht! Ich habe so viel für unsere Liebe zu versuchen! Geld sparen und müssen auf die Agentur zu zahlen! bald mit Ihnen sein! Nächste Woche! Dokumente werden bereits ab zu tun! Sie wissen? mein Freund sagte, dass nur eine Woche und wir können zusammen sein! aber jetzt sagen Sie mir, dass Sie nicht wollen, dass ich zu dir kommen! Wenn Sie nicht wollen, um mir zu helfen und einfach nicht glauben Sie mir, dann sagen Sie mir! Ich verstehe nicht, warum es all diese Worte der Liebe! weil ich wirklich liebe dich! wirklich wollen, um mit Ihnen sein!
Nun, was soll ich tun? Ich habe bis 230 Euro zu zahlen, und die Dokumente zu tun beginnen! Ich schrieb heute eine Erklärung zu meinem Job zu verlassen! es ist alles nur mit dir zusammen sein! Ist es alles umsonst? wenn Sie nicht mir helfen kann, stellt sich heraus, dass all dies ist wirklich nichts.
Ich bin sehr traurig. weil ich für Ihre Hilfe hoffen. Ich glaube, dass du mich wirklich liebst! so viel wie ich dich liebe!
Es dauert nur 360 € und wir werden zusammen sein. aber wenn Ihr Geld ist teurer als unsere Liebe, dann können wir nicht erfüllen.
Ich konnte nicht denken, du wirst jemand glauben, und setzte mich in Zweifel.
Nachdem ich schrieb ich wolle nach Russland kommen, ging sie sofort auf Angriff, Sie nennt sich Ekaterina und sendet mit
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anonymous from United States
Below is the third email I received form Olga, she has sent me photos of herself with her parents, photos of her with girls she went to school with, she has told me of meetings she had planned to attend and has taken photos at those meetings and sent them to me, we have been writing each other for 2 months now and it seems that she has been nonest with me about everything but I'm still a bit worried, at one she had told me that she was worried about me because she had heard of American men who get Russian girls to USA and only offend them, I assured her I was not one of those men and with more dialogue she says she feels she can trust me, I mentioned to her that I have heard about Russian girls who scam US men and I ask that she would be honest with me in all word and intention, she became upset at letter and felt that after we had dialogue for over a month why would I now accuse her of being a scammer, she told me she did not need or did not want my money and that if she decided to come to US to meet me she would make all on her own, she acted very upset and hurt that I would think she was a scam-r, I don't know what to think now......!
I see your letter, and it means that we search for one and too. S____ as I already spoke you my name Olga. I not married also have no
children. I live in the city of Velsk. I the cheerful and sociable girl. I like to achieve objects in view. In other on what, I also have
spent the most part of my life. I have loyal friends, it is a lot of colleagues. I always in the attention center because I work with
children. But so that has turned out in a life that I have not met till now the love. I very much wish to love and be favorite. Therefore I
here! S____, I would like to know why you here? What reasons at you? Are you lonely? S____, many people, seeing me, speak that, I am happy!!!
They make conclusions, looking that I always smile, respond on all requests I participate in many actions. I conduct a vigorous way of life.
But who does not guess at all as it is bad to me to come into apartment in which not who does not wait for me, to lay down in cold bed, and
will fall asleep only with thoughts on that tomorrow. And in the morning having opened eyes should whom near to itself. Earlier I did not
give it such value but now when I became more adult I start to reflect on it more and more every day. This thought does not give me rest. I
wish to meet second half. S____, washing the soul has got tired of melancholy, and I hope that dialogue through Internet probably that will
change. I hope, that you will like photos which I send with this letter. Shan, I hope, that I was not sad in this letter and it to like you.
I will look forward to hearing from you!
Your new friend Olga.