Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Tanya finally hit me up for the cash today. She said that she needs the money for insurance, and that she won't spend any of it. She needs $2000. This is the only letter that she has sent to me that didn't have a picture with it. She said she would send copies of her documentation, if it would help. I told her to do so, and that i would see what i could do. I asked her to give me a couple of days. I have not seen Tanya's picture on this site, and would like to believe she is real. It is really maddening how some girl you have never met can get under your skin.
Here are a some thoughts to keep in mind when contacted by a sexy Russian babe who professes romantic interests. If she talks about getting a visa to the USA instead of inviting you to come there - under current immigration law - it's a SURE sign that SHE LIES !
It doubtful the Russian woman could get permission to leave Russia unless she has a fiancee visa used for marriage based immigration. In order for her to get this type visa, you must first visit her in her native homeland. You get engaged during such a visit, then fly back to the USA and apply for the proper marriage visa. After the visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and after all the guidelines are met, she can get a greencard to work and eventual US citizenship.
I thought that all is behind us and there is no more barriers in front of us
anonymous from United States
anonymous from Canada
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anonymous from United Kingdom
firstname.lastname@example.org from United States
From turkmensten (suposedly)
[hidden] from Canada
here is another scammer - Flirty9 dot com dating site id - cuteloveoo64 -
Email - email@example.com - Name - Mary - Cute Love - Top of profile says
following - WARNING!!! User profile might be fake, because users IP belongs to
another country: Germany
Profile Data - 25 years old - from: United States - looking for a man - Hobbies
and Interests - seeking for real love..... - Partner Expectations - meeting for
real asap.... - About Me - am mary.25 single never married and no kids..i live
in colorado with ma granny..i am 5'4..117lbs..34E (75E) bra..waist 28 hips:30..i
am hard hearing and i hope you dont mind..am not here to text or play around. i
want to meet for real asap..Im here seeking for 1 on 1 s_x or a relationship and
see where it leads to...... - Relationship - I am looking for a man that is
caring, loving, honest, faithful, loyal, romantic, homourous, communicative,
passionate,intimate, affectionate, loves spending time with their woman, and
also looking for a f__kbuddie and see where it goes from there...love is really
hard to find if u know what i mean
There is a duplicate profile on Waplog dot com id - cuteloveoo89 - Female , 24,
Single United States , COLORADO - About - Hello how are you doing today...? am
mary.24 single never married and no kids..i live in colorado,am not here to text
or play around. i want to meet for real asap..Im here seeking for 1 on 1 s_x or
a relationship and see where it leads to.... - Personal Info - Relationship
Status: Single - Interested In: Man - Looking For: Dating - Eye Color: black -
Hair Color: Dark blonde
end of profile data
Note Waplog id cuteloveoo64 is a profile that uses a picture of Adultstar Raven
Riley - not sure if there is any connection. cuteloveoo89 on Waplog is same
person as id cuteloveoo64 on Flirty9 as I got message from person, 2 stickers
that were kisses. It is my fake sweetheart. Same person.
Description of Scam - the person is using stolen pictures of adult amateur star
'Little Bailey' meets people on Flirty9 and or Waplog id I mentioned above,
after a few messages on dating site, email and Yahoo Messenger the person
arranges sensual meeting, says she likes to travel, person requests for money
via Western Union to pay for the gas to drive with their car to where person is
located for sensual encounter.
Pesons messages to me on Flirty - (I am only going to post messages I feel are
important to the scam report)
cuteloveoo64 - Hello How are you doing today.. well am a new member here and i
will like to know you better, if you dont mind you can get to me about you and
then let me know if you single or married and what you really looking for in
your age and location pls?
am mary.25 single never married and no kids..i live in colorado with ma
granny..i am 5'4..117lbs..34E (75E) bra..waist 28 hips:30..i am hard hearing and
i hope you dont mind..am not here to text or play around. i want to meet for
real asap..Im here seeking for 1 on 1 s_x or a relationship and see where it
and you your name?
Im a very caring person that likes to be around people that enjoy life and love
to have fun. I'm a simple down to earth person who isn't much into the
materialistic things in life. I value the people who come and go in my life and
their friendship. I'm a very easy person to get a long with and once you really
get to know me you'll see that I have a lot of love to give and I'm very
understanding. I like to travel and see and do different things especially
7204405403 here is my phone number lets talk on phone and share some pics and
see where it leads to
ok then here is mine firstname.lastname@example.org
ok then we can text through mobile number then
well we can set that up..thats why am on the site lol..looking for someone to
meet for real and not just cyber...life is too short
here is my yh id cuteloveoo64 at yh do com
did you add me on messenger
i will like to chat with you soon on messenger
hi honey how arw you doing today
thats it let's talk and see how it leads to from there
well baby i gat my car i can drive to you...give me ur address so i can check
maps for distance and directions so i know how much i need for gas
i just check the cost of driving from here to you now is $148
time are hard now i don't have fund for gas....
only if you can send me money through western union
End of Applicable Flirty9 chat with cutelove0064
Yahoo Messenger message history applicable to scam
cuteloveoo64: Baby will you send the money today baby so I can come over to you
in the morning tomorrow baby
Or do you have a Walgreen store around you there baby
Name: Shane Eaves City: Clewiston State: Florida Zip Code: 33440
So how much you going send to me dear
OK then can you send me $200..in case I want to buy something on the road while
I'm coming cos I'm going to drive alone so it won't be too dull baby
OK baby....how long will it take you dear...
Name: Shane Eaves City: Clewiston State: Florida Zip Code: 33440
That's the whole address you need to use ok
End of applicable Yahoo Messenger posts
Received from - email@example.com - Name - cute love - Date - Thu, Jan 15,
2015 at 11:19 PM - IP Address according to Whatismyipaddress - 220.127.116.11 -
Country - Germany - Latitude - 51 - Longitude - 9
subject - Hi dear
Here are some pics of me dear hope u get that
end of email
the person attached the four pictures I posted above
Received from - firstname.lastname@example.org - Name - cute love - Date - Fri, Jan 23,
2015 at 7:29 PM - IP Address according to Whatismyipaddress - 18.104.22.168 -
Country - Netherlands - Latitude - 52.3667 - Longitude - 4.9