Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
I HAVE BEEN SUCKERD 3 TIMES. THE FIRST TIME I HAD NO CLUE THAT THIS SCAM WAS GOING ON. SHE KNEW I HAD NO MONEY, SHE WAS HALF MY AGE(I LOOK 20 YEARS YOUNGER THAN MY AGE) AND FOR A FEW WEEKS ALL SEEMED TO BE LAGIT. THEN SHE ASKED ME FOR MONEY AND I SAID, I ALREADY TOLD YOU I'M TWICE YOUR AGE AND HAVE NO MONEY TO GIVE. I LIVE ON DISABLITY AND GOVERNMENT HOUSING . NEVER HEARED FROM HER AGAIN.
THE 2ND ONE I FLAT OUT SAID, PLEASE DON'T EVER ASK ME FOR MONEY AND SHE RAN SCARED.
THE LAST ONE TODAY GOT TO MOSCOW . TOLD ME SHE HAD A GRANT TO FLY TO WASHINGTON DC TO TAKE HER DENTAL CLASSES AND THE FEDRATION IS PAYING FOR HER TRAVEL, FOOD AND CLOTHING AND MONEY FOR A PLACE TO STAY THEY ALL SENT NUDE PICTUERS OF THEM SELVES AND THEY LOOKED VERY PORNOGRAPHIC AND PROFFESIONAL. SHE WAS 26 AND NOW SHE IS IN MOSCOW WANTING MONEY. SHE IS HISTORY. I TOLD HER IF ALL SHE HAS TOLD ME ABOUT HERSELF AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE WILL DO WHEN ME HAVEING SEX AND HOW SHE HAS FALLEN FOR ME. I TOLD HER, YOUR ON YOUR OWN, YOU NOW I'M POOR AND CAN'T HELP YOU. IF YOU REALLY ARE THAT MUCH INTERESTED IN ME THAN YOU'LL FIND A WAY TO GET MONEY AND COME AND STAY WITH ME AND I HELP YOU FIND A PLACE TO LIVE . I'LL NEVER HEAR FROM HER AGAIN.
anonymous from United States
anonymous from United States
wanwan from Japan
I am scamming a Russian Scammer now.
Hello my new friend, I'd like to meet you, if you please. Do not rush to delete my e-mail, maybe we can start our knowledge? my name is Tatyana, I'm 25 years old. your e-mail address I was given in the agency of acquaintances. Perhaps it registered on the dating site. I am a very interesting person, and I would be pleased to receive your response. Seeking a man who will be there for me, for me, age does not matter, I believe that true love should not be barriers. can you tell me something more about you and start our knowledge, I am very interested in knowing more about you. Please do not ignore my letter and give me the answer. Tatyana P.S I hope you liked photos
Her scamming e-mail address is 'firstname.lastname@example.org'
Hello, I am very glad you responded to my letter. As you already know my name
Tatyana. I'm 25, I live in Russia in the city of Ekaterinburg. I can
only hold a dialogue in English, so I'll just write in English. I ask
you to read my letter carefully, because I know what I think of what I
write. Based on your answers, I'll be watching, whether it makes sense
to continue our dialogue further or not. To be honest, I do not like
to be ignored. Just so happens that I tell people about you, you can
say that open the soul, but just ignore it. By sending me letters just
stale, and even sometimes forget to change the name of the letter.
This is very offensive to me and caused a lot of pain in the past, I
do not want this to happen again. Just do not worry, I'm not angry. Do
not jump to conclusions, read my letter to the end and even then draw
conclusions. In fact, I was very good and friendly. It just makes life
being careful and often rough due to many cases of fraud and evil.
Really like me, and I see that you care about. Who knows what the end
will have our correspondence, but I hope that you and I will be a
minimum of dear friends. I am a student and now I am in Medical
Academy, ekaterinburg. But more about that in my next letter. First
to start a dialogue, I want to say right away that the money I earn to
live the dance striptease. And I do not think it's shameful. I am not
ashamed of my work. If this is contrary to your moral and ethical
principles, and do not want to talk to me, and can save time and then
do not read my letter. I like people who do not fear the negative
opinions of others about themselves, I like people who are not afraid
of the open expression of desire. I'm sorry if my English is not very
good. I could speak English, but, unfortunately, I am writing in bad
English. I hope you understand what I'm writing to you. If you do not
understand something, ask me about this. I like to have fun, I love
jokes, anecdotes, and I am very cheerful disposition. With me will
never get bored. With regard to age. I think the age is not important
in the relationship between human beings. The most important thing is
the ability to love and respect! It 's just love real man really
knows! The soul of a pure heart and the most important components of
the person. The age does not matter. As the saying goes, love knows no
age. I appreciate and love the people that are close to me. I
sincerely hope that we will be very close, because you really like.
Very rarely happens to me, someone I loved at first sight. They are
very demanding. But you did something once attracted. I do not know
what. It is just like me on a subconscious level. You know how it
happens, like a person, like another. All at a subconscious level. I
understand very well the people. I do not want to brag, but it's true.
Even if you are not too old, I was 25, but I had a hard life, and I
had to grow up quickly. I'm just waiting for someone to be protected,
but I just hope for me. It taught me to enjoy every moment of life,
never to lose heart and do not complain destiny. In fact, we have the
fate of the creators. Do you agree with me? I also want to discuss as
soon as a problem, a lot of hype on the internet, I was faced with
this, talking to people before. Lie with more lies and sometimes even
think that meets with no man, but with a computer program. I want to
be sure you're a real person, I want to call you. I want to hear your
voice and be confident that you're a real person. Enter your phone
number and I'll call you. I mean right away if you need only my erotic
photos, and if I was not interested in you as a person who does not
need to write something more. Many have tried to get cheated in my
photos. Someone told me that he loved me, making a series of
compliments, promising a lot of money, but if I do not like people, I
do not do these images for him. And as soon as people understand each
other, immediately disappeared. It 'was very painful and humiliating
for me. I do not care explicit images, I do very much like them. I
love it when I admired, that raises my spirit. But I do not want
someone made me. When I want to, I want to make explicit photos and
send them to you if you want. I hope to see your letter as soon as
possible. I would be very interested to learn more!! Tell me more
about myself, about the country, the city where you live. It 's very
interesting to me. I have for you and a great demand, please answer
all my questions and comment on what you think of everything that I
have written. It 's very important to me. Do not forget me, please
write as soon as possible. With best wishes!! Tatyana!
He gave me a nice photo.
wanwan from Japan
My wife Svetlana <email@example.com>
I was scamming her and I sent her fake Moneygram.
She went to Moneygram and she never got money from me.
Her scamming e-mail address is 'firstname.lastname@example.org'
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