Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
I guess this sounds more like Nicole Kidman Movie 'Birthday Girl' Yes I was contacted by a Russian girl and man she says her english is bad, I would copy the letter she sent and how beautiful she is.
This whole thing is a con job I guess.
Here is the letter
am so glad to see your letter again,I think I am a lucky girl to meet
such man and I will do my best to meet you in real life!
you know I can work in any city of your area because it is free choice
and agency only helps me to get only travel documents (work visa)and
ticket, and I do hope that we will like each other and now I have the
destination. The agency will also suggest some places to work in.
I do hope I have met my right man!you know I have told you before one
of my friend worked abroad last year and have met right man,now they live there and they are going to
marry. by the way now they are arranging the trip to Russia,(he wants
to meet her parents and friends)I think if I feel that you are my dream and you have the
same feelings we could think about our future together. if not I will just work and return back when the time to travel back.
you know I am new here and I am afraid to make any mistake. I have one great lack,I am very impatient sometimes
I can act without thinking. Sometimes I think that my dream is getting for real and it is so bad to be disappointed later.
I want you to know all small things about me because it shouldn't be any misunderstandings between us.
I want you to know that I am not angel and sometimes I can show my character.And I don't wait that you to be angel too, I just want to meet a kind man .
I am very kind and I can forgive almost all I can't forgive if my man sleep with different woman, I don't know many nessesary words in english.
I hope you can read between lines. A little more about myself!
I've been modeling for some time. I am sending you my professional photos.
my favorite activity is swimming. I like to swim in the Swimming pool
very much. I wish we had the sea here! I like the sea! We have the sea near us but it is very cold one and It is
impossible to swim. We do have some lakes though. Sometimes I think that I was the fish in past life. I wanted to be as
swim trainer but I've been told that I will have ugly body with too wide shoulders.
I finished The Novosibirskiy State Univercity, trainers faculty as fitness
trainer but I don't work on my profession because there are no good
fintess clubs in my city, I used to sit at home and to do all housework,helping my mom. I would
like to have good job,I may work dancing teacher, or trainer of fitness,you know I have a certificate.
I worked as a trainer a year ago . and I would like to do it again .you know how many more younger girls
want to get this job too!Alot of competition here. I want to tell you about things I like:
I like to make barbecue and I so much want to have my own home with fireplace.
usually I make very tasty ones and in principle I like to cook and it is not problem for me to cook something
tasty and I don't like to visit cafes and restaurants ,at first usually they can't cook weel(maybe only here) and second too high price.
I like warm weather. and my great dream is to live somewhere on tropical island.
Also I want to tell you about my dislikes: I hate our long winters it seems to me they will never end.
I hate lies and unfaithfulness. I hate evil people and politicans I think they like to play wars, I hate any wars.
What I like in a man: faithfulness, honesty. He has to be open- minded
and open-hearted, also easy-going. and much more important he is kind,kindness makes our world!
are you kind?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I think my man should be kind ,it is great feeling after love,only kind person may be happy,all rude people are unhappy.
or must be. A few questions yet, agency tells that I will have a room in nearest hotel near my future
work but if we like each other may be is it possible to live together?
I think we will enjoy life together. do you have your car?animals? I
can't drive and I do hope you give me a few lessons, to be fair I have so many plans .I will find out all travel details
about my flight this week. I will leave my town today in a two hours and i think I will be not
able to write to you today or so. When I am in Moscow I will send you short
letter to let you know that I am all right and they tell that it takes about two days to
get all nesseary papers, please confirm your phone number and
international airport, I want to be sure I have all your details and
Please don't look at different girls. I am the best(joke).
Well, I will close this letter I think I am bore today,and please feel
free to ask. See you soon!I can't believe everything is for real.
to be fair I am lost and my head is like any big station with a lot of voice!
KISS and LOVE Natalia!
From: 'Elena Karamisheva' <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: 'John Herritt' <email@example.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:03 AM
Honey, As always I am glad to see the reply from you.it seems to me I am lucky girl to meet such man from first time and I will do my best to meet you in real life!be ready to read my long letter. you know I am new here in cyber space and I am afraid to make any mistake.I have one great lack, I am very impatience and sometimes I can act without thinking.Sometimes I think that my dream
is getting for real and I feel not well later if it was only dream I want you to know all small things about me because it mustn't be any misunderstandings between us. I want you to know that I am not angel I mean I am usual girl with all human's problems. and sometimes I can show my character.And I don't wait that you to be angel,I just want to meet kind man I am very kind and I can forgive almost all I can't forgive if my man sleep with different woman, I don't know many nesseary words in english .I think you can read between lines.I can't imagine
that the couple has family and he has different woman yet,it is higher of my understanding. I think that much more easy to say the truth and be with woman he loves than every day to tell the lie. I think so,may be I am young and I see everything in pink color but I prefer to be the only woman for my man,sorry too many words sometimes I can be philosopher.well,A little more about myself!
my favorite activite is swimming.I like to swim very much. I wish we had the sea here! I like the sea and I would like to see the ocean,it is my dream! Sometimes I think that I was the fish in past life.I do hope I was dolphin not the shark. I wanted to be as swimm trainer but they told that I can have ugly body with too wide shoulders. I finished The Siberia State Univercity, trainers faculty as fitness ,dancing trainer but I don't work on my profession,I used to sit at home and to do all housework,helping my mom.I would like to have good job,I may work dancing teacher,or trainer of fitness,you know I have a certificate. I worked as a trainer and my girls told me that I am enough good one! . and I would like to do it again .you know how many more younger girls want to get this job too!Alot of
competition here.I want to tell you about things I like: I like to make barbecue and I so much want to have my own home with fireplace. usually I make very tasty ones and in principle I like to cook and it is not problem for me to cook something tasty and I don't like to visit cafes and restoraunts ,at first usually they can't cook well(maybe only here) and second too high price. I like warm weather. and my great dream is to live on tropical island somewhere in ocean.
Small girl dream,really? Also I want tell you about my dislikes: I hate our long winters it seems to me they will never end. I hate lies and unfaithfulness. I hate evil people and politicans I think they like to play wars, I hate any wars.
What I like in a man: faithfulness, honesty. He has to be open- minded and open-hearted, also easy-going. and much more important he must be kind,kindness makes our world! are you kind?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
A few questions yet, do you have own home or live in flat?agency tells that I will have a rent room near my future work I will share this room with a few girls yet,
it is usual procedure and it helps to pay the rent.And I have a question, is it normal if we like each other may be it is possible to live together?of course if you or somebody doesn't mind. I think I will be able to improve my english,you can learn Russian and I think it will help us to learn each other better,who knows.Have you big bed?(joke). have you car?animals? I have drive licence but I am not sure I will be able to drive there. and I do hope you give me a few lessons,to be fair I have so many plans . Well,about important things,I spend so much time to tell about nothing.Sorry dear! I will leave Barnaul airport in a few hours and I think I will be not able to write to you.I will be on the way to moscow.When I am in moscow I will send you short letter to let you know that I am all right and they tell that it takes about two days to get all nesseary papers,to book tickets and I do hope to meet you in the end of the week. I have a great request,Please don't look at different girls.I am the best(joke). Well, I will close this letter I have a few things to do before my travel.in principle I am ready
to travel ,a few small things to finish.sorry if I forgot to reply some of your questions,I think we will have enough time to talk,alive conversation is much better ,do you agree? Now I feel well I know you are waiting for me.See you soon Elena.Kiss you .
Hum seen like almost the same letter???
anonymous from United States
Were is your letter again..before she used spell check?
can't cook weel(maybe only here)
looks like the passport photo of Zinaida is taken from the top of Natalia with the pointy boots
anonymous from United Kingdom
anonymous from United Kingdom
Tatyana Tarasova is still at it! She has been writing to me, using the name Tanya and the email address firstname.lastname@example.org ::: But thanks to this website... NO MORE!
What a pillock I was, to have fallen for this scammer's lies. I always thought there was something amiss, but it's only natural to live in hope.
Keywords: redhead sunglasses
anonymous from Belgium
Yes, Tatyana Tarasova (Tanya to her friends) likes flowers/plants. Another emailaddress this nice babe uses is email@example.com. Really would like to see more of her.
Keywords: redhead black dress table
anonymous from United States
HEY ALL! been writing to this hot russian dentist Named NADEZHDA ANDRIYAUSKAS!
it was alright from beginning, she wrote to me through true.com under hopes_dreams
and every e-mail had real photos! current photos! never once did I think about google.com until it was too late! she even sent a photo of herself holding a sign that said my dear Phillip I miss you! and then something written underneath in russian! never once did I suspect anything, then i get an e-mail from her with photo of passport! and she was short $219, so I helped her out! and then she went to moscow, and needed $500 for leaving russia, something about proving she had money to support herself while she was out of country! again, I did not even think!! and then after she gets money, I get e-mail from her telling me she is in hospital, and then I get 5 others, and then her friend elena tells me that she will be out in may 5, then it changes to may 9, then I get an e-mail in russian, and then I get 1 more from her friend telling me she misses me and loves me!? and then that is it! have not heard anything else, then my friend tells me, he is writing to this russian model!? and sends me a photo of her and sure enough, there she is in all her glory! caught my completely offgaurd and I feel like an idiot but, I have her ISP number and I have reported her! and my friend in russia is tracking her with her ISP number! so I have her! if anyone wants to see the photo of her holding sign, feel free to e-mail me!
and 1 more thing, her e-mail address she used was NAD@FLYLETTERS.COM
anonymous from United States
all who have been scammed or almost scammed
fight back like Terry
I am Mr Don Kelvin and i need a girl to be my wife for real. if you are interested, mail me on firstname.lastname@example.org
anonymous from Australia
I write from Melbourne Australia,
I think I have a scammer on the loose, she's been corresponding with me for about a week & she's already in love without even seeing me (too good to be true principle).
Parents killed in Chechnya and she had to go live with aunte whom died of 20 mins heart attack :) she works as 'honey for sister' :0 if anyone knows Lumilda with the above description plz post a reply. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Ludmila Prokopluda from Russia
anonymous from United Kingdom
Looks like Nadezhda Ratmanova , the hairdresser from Kirov.
dialup.mari-el.ru [22.214.171.124] (may be forged))
But I have another one, Ludmilla, also from Kirov and she works as 'honey of the sister'. also Mari El IP 126.96.36.199