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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.

Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.


    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.

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2007-05-12, 13:15:38
anonymous from United Kingdom  
And another. Has anyone heard from Natasha recently?

2007-05-13, 01:51:04
anonymous from Canada  
ya i got the same thing from a girl named olga, this is all just a bloody scam, damnit o well, i just dont get how people fall for these things and give out personal information so publicly or to a stranger i would never give a credit card or visa or real adress unless i have talked to them on the phone directly and could tell it was the real thing, but im sure there are some real people like this, its jus a one in a million chance of you getting a non scam email:P
2007-05-13, 04:22:00
anonymous from France
Have a look on 'properties' of messages you receive from FSU.
Warning : 'The Bat!', Yoshkar-Ola Mari El Republik, Lugansk, Cheboksary...etc...99,9% are scammers not to say 100%.
In Mari -El cities, many offices under control of Mafias, with dozens of Ivans having thousands of nice ladies pictures, thousands of messages... This business is worth millions $ from lovers worldwide through Western Union and Moneygram !
2007-05-13, 06:11:54
anonymous from France  
I broken heart : I was in love with beautiful lady, double of lebanese singer Haifa... see photo...then translator !

Dear Sir

we apologize for interrupting your correspondence with lady Elena
butbwe are to inform you that Elena has been using the services of letters
translation and Internet provided by our translating company.
unfortunately, we cannot translate your last letter to your friend, as
her account is over and she cannot pay it anymore. she is very much
interested in you and asked to inform you about this. Elena hopes not
to lose contact with you.

in case you you feel like help her we are glad to introduce the
information about our services to you. please write the request to the
e-mail address of your lady and our managers will answer you as soon
as possible. you can also get all the necessary information with the
following phone numbers:

+1 315 849 5771 (USA)
+3 8 095 686 23 66 (Ukraine)

Please mind the time difference. our working hours are 9am-5pm. we are
glad to be in service for you.

If you interested in our unlimited service the prices is:

'Unlimited translation' - we provide only translation services without printing or scanning photos:
- one month 'unlimited translation' - 150 USD
- two month 'unlimited translation' - 300 USD;
'Unlimited correspondence' - we provide not only translation of the letters
but also printing letters and scanning and printing pictures:
- one month 'unlimited correspondence' costs - 200 USD
- two month 'unlimited correspondence' costs - 350 USD

2007-05-13, 08:34:27
anonymous from United States  
What's the name of the 'translation' company? I'll bet that letter came from 'her' e-mail addy too!? Now doesn't that seem STRANGE that a company would send something using a 'clients' e-mail addy???
2007-05-13, 09:09:08
anonymous from France  
Name of Translation Company :
Igor Stravinsky
Executive manager.
+1 315 849 5771 (USA)
+3 8 095 686 23 66 (Ukraine)
2007-05-13, 09:12:58
anonymous from France  
Another 'money for translation' scammer :
Leonid Chukarsky : Translating Firm 'Trans Sigma'.
2 photos attached.

2007-05-13, 09:15:54
anonymous from France  

Keywords: brunette yellow top pink hot pants
2007-05-13, 10:47:40
Elena Karpuz.
My address is 91000,Zhukova Block,7,
Lugansk Ukraine. I am 28.


Dear Sir

we apologize for interrupting your correspondence with lady Elena but
we are to inform you that Elena has been using the services of letters
translation and Internet provided by our translating company.
unfortunately, we cannot translate your last letter to your friend, as
her account is over and she cannot pay it anymore. she is very much
interested in you and asked to inform you about this. Elena hopes not
to lose contact with you.

in case you you feel like help her we are glad to introduce the
information about our services to you. please write the request to the
e-mail address of your lady and our managers will answer you as soon
as possible. you can also get all the necessary information with the
following phone numbers:

+1 315 849 5771 (USA)
+3 8 095 686 23 66 (Ukraine)

Please mind the time difference. our working hours are 9am-5pm. we are
glad to be in service for you.

Hoping for our future collaboration,
Faithfully yours,
Igor Stravinsky
Executive manager.
2007-05-14, 06:04:01   (updated: 2007-05-14, 06:07:18)
anonymous from Canada  
Another pic of Olga with a message: To me it is not clear why you do not write, explain to me.I shall wait!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like he or she is going to get pissed off for not writing back!

Anyone interested, here is the

2007-05-14, 17:22:32
anonymous from Canada  
LOL...I just sent a simple 'tell me more about you' and here is the reply I got from Olga.

Hello my friend Bob.It's very nice to see your new letter!It seems like a miracle that people invented this way of communication forpeople who live far from each other or even in different parts of the world! That's really great. And also it great hat it gave us the opportunity to meet, and I hope that we will have nice conversations and maybe one day we will meetwhat do you think about that?When I receive your letter, my life is filled with pleasure. I hope we will find so much in common between you and me and our relationshipscan become something more than just a usual penpal.And as to being still alone - I have you now. And I want to keep this relation.If we have a chance to open something new in each other it is as if turning anew page in a book, it is much more interesting. There is no schedule or recipe about how to createa family, there are no special laws. Who can make such laws for us? We can. Who is goingto follow them? We are. Who will violate them? We too. I think that being a woman I must be soft, caring, able to forgive, be pity,give birth to children, make meals for my man, listen to his troubles. Do you agree? On the other hand I'd like that you could always defend me andnever offended, always noticed my new dress, hair-dress, kissed when leaving. On weekends I will put on my favourite dress, cook your favourite dish, putflowers on the table. I will forget about all my businesses and troubles for this evening, light thecandles and wait for you. I wonder why you decided to seek for a woman through the Internet?Guys here don't pay attention to my inner world, they treat me as some doll. More than that most of them don't know how to find their place in life, not to speak about the place of the wife's place. I prefer intelligence, experience, faith and tenderness. I want to be with beside my man as behind the walls of the castle. That's why I decided to try Internet. But, you see, it's not that simple in our country. To me spoke that many men correspond with the girl only for that to receive naked photos.They like to deceive girls. But I think you the good personYou know, my English is very poor and I have no own computer so I have to usethe complex service of the Internet cafe. So, it was not easy for me to contact with somebody. But I hope all theobstacles won't deter my future happiness... More than that I believe that to start relationships with correspondence is veryefficient. You can tell the person everything you would be ashamed to tell in person. Don't you agree? There is no need in pretending. You can be yourself. What exactly do you want me to tell you about myself? I want to find a person who feels me, makes me warm when I am cold, comforts mewhen I feel worry, listens to me when I have something to tell you, appreciates my love and care,makes me feel loved. I need my male mate not only as an interlocutor but also like a close friend,partner of life, and beloved man. That's why tell me about your life. What are your dreams, goals in life? What doyou do for work and for pleasure? Tell me about the place you live. I want to find a person who could love me as woman, as person but not as pretty doll, which you can show to everyone and to be proud of it. I'm a woman and want to be loved and to love, but not to play games with meThe wife should be proud of his husband. And wise wives should give self confidence to their husbands, valuing the mostimportant for him features. I think the man should support woman's self respect, not criticize her in acompany, spare woman's self-esteem. Always make compliments on the occasion of the new dress, hair-dress or shoes, be thankful for the dinner she cooks for him not comparing it with the one hismother used to cook, bring flowers and kiss when leaving for work. I think that the common life is mutual respect and understanding. Both husband and wife are responsible for happy family life. I believe the real woman should create cosy home with her beauty, care anddevotion. I will respect, love and caress my future husbandProbably I already have had time to bother you, and you are tired to read myletterOk, allow me to finish my letterBy the way, my mum and friends ask about you, especially mum. I have told to her, that you are decent and good male My mum are very pleased to our correspondence and our relations. She wish to us a good relations in the futureMy mum ask me to say to you hello from she!I will wait for your next letter! Write me soon! Your Olga

Note: My name isn't Bob...I just used it to confuse my dearest Olga.

2007-05-14, 17:23:57
anonymous from Canada  
Another pic of Olga...she looks like a kid in this picture.
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Olga Savin

Keywords: brunette with big teddy bear
2007-05-15, 04:14:41
anonymous from France  
I studied long time russian scammers, have been in touch with 100 or so... at first, I thought this was dishonest job. Later I changed my mind... Former Soviet Union people are not that rich, they are poor, but clever. US and EU men are frustrated with ladies in their homelands, and wish to find 'diamonds in the rough' now unavailable in the West. This is a perfect soil for growing illusion business. Poor and clever < = > Wealthy and stupid... Scams are useful way for transferring the wealth from the rich to the poor, same World Bank, or International Monetary Fund. Western Union and Money gram are happy also to contribute : 5% of money go in their pockets. The poor clever russian Ivans hard working on their computers are happy, the US Banks are happy... The stupid senders of money are not happy, but is it so important : they are loosers anyway...? This is their price to pay for dreams... May be to-morrow they'd loose same money on the Stock Exchange, or Las Vegas gambling...
Finally, Russian scam is not that bad ! At least I think it is MORAL...
2007-05-15, 09:31:02
anonymous from Russian Federation  
I am from Turkish Republic and I am working and living Russia. Some Russian mafia's using this method. Credit card, passport ... Becarefull guys this very important situation. U musnt give information !!!

From: 'SexySara' <>
>>Subject: Chat With Me
>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:55:19 -0700 (PST)
>>Hey There
>>My Name Is Sara
>> Iam 25 Female living in USA
>>I found your email address listed in your profile section thought you might
>>want to talk..Email me back
>> If you want a pic just ask!!

Hi my new friend
Im glad to see that you have decided to reply,I see it is very short letter.
It is all right because you are astonished to get my letter.
I want you to know that I have only good intentions and I have not any secrets.
The thing is that I will work in your country for three months or so and
I would like to meet a nice man to fall in love or just be closest friends.
I don't want to live in Russia because I have not any chances here,
it is hardly possible to explain from first time but I want you to know my
I will work in any shop, bar or restaurant the agency that i am going through
will suggest me some locations.
It will be my choice in the end as to what option to go for.
So I will have a simple work till I improve my English. And I can choose any
town of your area,agency will only help me to get a visa and all travel
documents + some suggested placed to work in.
My best friend last year met the man from the USA when she worked there for
three months, too.
She had two jobs. From morning till 4 pm she worked in amusement park and after
it she worked as a waitress in some bar till midnight.
She was very tired of course but made very good money there.
It is special programm for young people who wants to work abroad and I think it
is the right way for me ,
I am lost here,and I think that I look pretty enough to find a better place .I
want to repeat the same way,it is
only my chance to meet a nice man.I want to work in USA or in Europe or any
nice country. I am full of plans and different dreams and I want to share my
life with good man because I'm also full of love and tenderness,I know that
I am not so beautiful like Hollywood Princess but I do hope to meet my Prince
I am sure he will be not be disappoined to meet me in the real life! This is why
I am going to go through the same way.
Well,I will close this letter and I do hope to get your reply.
I will leave russia in two weeks or so (I can't tell you everything exactly
right now) and I would like tobe sure that I have the man who waits for me
there. I will work all day and I want to find a man to spend all free time
together to get to know each other better.if you have any interest to meet me I
will be more than happy to meet you too.
I will tell you all details about me and my life if you like my pictures and
want to meet me! please send picture of you too!!!
I write to you with my new mailbox, please write
letters now only on this mailbox.
I will wait your next letter.
Kiss you ,ELENA (this is my name)!

2007-05-15, 09:32:42
anonymous from Russian Federation  
and another photos !!

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