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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2006-06-28, 21:30:53
anonymous from United States  
2006-06-28, 21:31:53
anonymous from United States  
one more Natalya
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Elena from Slobodskoi



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2006-06-29, 01:45:34
anonymous from United States  
to the person asking about this girl
I beleave you will find her on the bottom of the page on this link

http://www.womenrus..enschikowa
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Dating scammer Tanya Selivanova from Saratov, Russia



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2006-06-29, 05:22:15
anonymous from United States  
Does anyone know about this Russian girl?Her name is Marina vinogorova.


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2006-06-30, 02:45:16
anonymous from United States  
re letters from natalya what the full name shes using?
shes known by another name and another city
see placeholder for elena of slobodskoi on
this site bottom of page what a scammer!
2006-06-30, 23:47:51
anonymous from United Kingdom  
The women portrayed in these photographs are almost certainly nothing to do with the scam itself. The scam emails are probably automated. It's software sending the emails. The scammers probably have a library of photos which they randomly assign to each recipient.

They might just as well be photographs scanned from a magazine. You're 'communicating' with a computer program.
2006-07-01, 07:28:53
anonymous from United States  
yeah it looks that thats the case random selection by the program for
each scam letter or a series of letters thank you for your insight.they all look like models
some of em throw in a few extra like camping pics on the street inhome etc
i do believe they pay some of the women to pose maybe not telling them its a scam.
anyway were all ok as long as we dont send money!
2006-07-02, 10:54:25
anonymous from United States  
Re: Natalya The full name she uses is..Natalya Kiseleva..
2006-07-02, 11:42:01
heathcliffe2d@netscape.net from United States  
more on natalya kiseleva. she was on yahoo.com personals very briefly. profile said she was from wisconsin. she probaby writes to as many men as possible, giving her email address in the first (and only) correspondence through yahoo. then she waits to see who writes back. she loves me and needs $400 for visa. i am tempted to play along (without sending money of course), but i suspect she will just stop writing when she realizes she isnt going to get anything out of me. great website. thank you
2006-07-02, 15:02:33
anonymous from United Kingdom  
this one almost got me . ring any bells lads
sweet tatyana


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2006-07-03, 11:07:23
anonymous from United States  
Re: My dear sweet Natalya Kiseleva...after just 9 letters, she is madly in love with me, and cannot live without me. She has pledged her undying love for me, and only needs $400. These people running these scams must think that American men are so naive and gullible. And I wonder if some of these women know that their photographs are being used in such a manner. I can see some vodka soaked, cigar chomping guy, named 'Boris' sitting at a computer churning out this drivel. I think that instead of sending the money, I will write and tell her that I am coming to Borisoglebsk, to help walk her through this. And I will be there in just a few days, meet me at the hotel...etc. So you all be kind, in what you say about my beloved Natalya..because she loves ME forever...lol
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Elena from Slobodskoi
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
Elena from Slobodskoi
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers



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2006-07-03, 13:30:54
anonymous from United States  
naw marina or natalya or boris or yuri loves only me!
im sure of it ....lol
or why would they send me such great photos?
2006-07-05, 18:03:34
anonymous from United States  
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Hears a new one antonina7@gmail.com she shook when she read my profile DAmmmm
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Elena from Slobodskoi
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
Elena from Slobodskoi
Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers



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2006-07-06, 22:32:57
anonymous from United States  
marina strelkova natayla kieseleva and now shes antonia
geez!whats next orlandria popalaya?
just made that up!
i wonder of she still cares for me? lol
2006-07-07, 02:32:02
anonymous from Germany  
WARNING: NADEHZDA NEMIHINA, also called Nadya from Kazan.

I sent to her money twice. The first time for the internet-cafe, the secon time for stay in hospital she said. After the second time she wrote just twice, then never again. I had been a fool to trust somebody I do not know!!!!
Alleged born 77-01-10, groth of 168 cm, weight of 57 kg. Working as a 'low meneger'. She said that she would hate money above everything! It seem that she loves it very much!
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