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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-09-03, 14:04:22
anonymous from United States  
E, 2007-09-01, 15:49:55 (updated: 2007-09-01, 16:44:30)

''I'd also like to know....what makes you think that the person who is writing to you is a scammer?''

Sverige Bhai, thanks for an opportunity to sharpen my response, and I speak for MYSELF ALONE!

1) In majority of cases a proof is based on overwhelming evidence (i.e., just tip the scale to one side)
2) In more serious cases the criterian is - beyond a reasonable doubt
3) Personally, my discipline requires - beyond ANY doubt

It takes a lot to become ''my scammer'' - I don't use this phrase loosely. I never post my suspects prematurely, despite my rage.

1) Perm and Louisville, Kentucky (my former state) are sister cities, there are regular excahange visits between these local government officials, and their sycophants

2) Elena Solodovnikova was cited for driving the wrong way on a one way street in Perm. Her first name, last name, pictures are all her own, at the time of scamming me. Ergo it is she herself (no quotes) my scammer

I reiterate, I speak for myself alone, this scammer alone in this post, and I love to be challenged by my respected partner!
2007-09-03, 14:16:15
'S' from United States  
What made you think it bothered me E? We both do the same thing! So NO,it's doesn't! We might BE repetitive but it's necessary at times!

SNT...
2007-09-03, 15:08:19
anonymous from Sweden  
anonymous 2007-09-01, 21:37:33

Better not to publicize this site too much or more scammers wil find it.

OJAS, I just wondered what evidence the USA poster had before he posted the girl's pics. He didn't give any information. Her pics look relatively kosher in this case. Some guys post a girl's pics and ask 'is this girl a scammer?', which is a little unfair on the girl if sh'e innocent. Most antiscam websites won't post pics and info without evidence of scamming, the money letter etcetc....because technically it's illegal (defamation of character).

If it was you posting the scam, then this obviously doesn't apply. I get very confused when people don't sign their posts.

Skeet...no problem dude.
2007-09-03, 16:07:08
anonymous from United States  
Sverige Bhai,

1) The post you refer to isn't mine, I never gave delphi link to any scammer, nor ever will!

2) Even when I choose to be anonymous, my signature is unmistakable (style, choice of words, code-names for my friends, etc.). It's only when I want to keep a scammer at bay, my message aimed at him will make it harder for him to guess my identity.

3) Frequently you guys see me also posting a link for my fellow-newbie, as an incentive for homework. Typically they are BBC links for UK friends, SMH link for Aussie friends, a short delphi link for French friends. It takes a matter of seconds. And who says it's a waste of space when we are in the world of Gigabytes and Terabytes, each of our repetetive posts can be expressed in Kilobytes, if not bytes. Retuning newbies, have often felt ''A repetetion is worth a thousand dollars''

4) I'm also against irresponsible posters, who when challenged for evidence of a scam simply double-back, having already done damage to a possibly innocent individual.

PS I have requested Dirk to forward my e-mail to you, when he gets some time, you may soon be hearing from him.
2007-09-03, 16:15:56
Eddie from Sweden  
OJAS...you're misunderstanding me again. I didn't think the anonymous post just above siddiq.007@hotmail.com was yours. The first part of my previous post was a message to him, not to you so don't worry.

It's true that you have your own unique, idiosyncratic style, but there are so many anons from USA sometimes it's difficult to tell.

I've already replied to your mail address.
2007-09-03, 17:20:43   (updated: 2007-09-03, 17:24:31)
Skeet from United States  
Well,you're right on all count's Eddie. It's hard to give poster's guidence when there are no 'set' rules! Too many don't seem to read what is here and how it's done and some can't be bothered! Knida revert's to what we talked about above huh?


Case in point...Just saw this one
http://www.delphifa..p=0#50490
The girl in the above is there along with a new post on another that has 'her' own thread!


She's not there...


Yeehaa,the edit button worked! LOL
2007-09-04, 08:39:04
anonymous from United States  
hello all,once again I see that a scammer has struck at the very heart of U.S. men!I first looked up sochi, russia after the first email and was alarmed to find the site russianromance.this site explained the scammers ways and told stories, examples ,offered to investigate{at a price of course} any woman ,address, etc.

Maria is a beauty.shared photos from the start.etc. i found the very same second email on this site that she sent me ,BEWARE ...MARIA KOZHEVNIKOVA,, 27 YEARS OLD ,168 CM AND 51KG,,ETC.DANCER, FITNESS INSTRUCTOR, ETC.

PHOTOS
SUMMERTIME
MEANDSISTER2JPG
IN-SOCHI

GUYS,YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEBSITE RUSSIANROMANCE, AND INVESTIGATE.IT IS EXPENSIVE BUT IT IS ALSO MORE OF A REALITY AS I HAVE CONCLUDED. STAY SAFE OUT THERE, u.s WOMEN ARENT THE ONLY LYING, CONTROLING, MANIPULATIVE, @#$%^&$ OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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2007-09-04, 13:22:28
anonymous from United States  
NOT HER AGAIN!!!
This image was also posted here:
Dating scammer Nadia



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2007-09-04, 13:46:46
anonymous from United States  
2007-09-04, 22:43:19
anonymous from Canada  
Can someone check this ones IP out?

She hasn't asked for money....yet!

here's the header from her email 2 days ago!

Received: from smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.106.149]) by bay0-mc4-f15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:00:42 -0700
Received: (qmail 86210 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2007 17:00:42 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO winsen) (fragilepetalrose@77.40.71.71 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2007 17:00:39 -0000
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2k9MDtsPTA7YT0w
X-Message-Info6sSXyD95QpW7veMbBVxPSJSkykrlw9 ddivnFoTYjn46zasAEnPdJM8pUz8aU8aUob7kYRREBo4LfdplSJA/ijb5w==
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.coReceived: X-YMail-OSG:Date:From:X-Mailer:Reply-To:X-Priorityityity:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-TypBBS0sVPQB1LSpGWq83WethFGjBKOR+ +dce69Hdz3l0Am0GZg8o7UtgVh08HjgHjgfKyoaaw8p2TAWcgt5jPP6YMlbTFrbSklA3uJd0n+ MlWExU+ZrIjO5j93j93VhmoivhrOqeqK02GT+SjHrVFipSzElAicJJcJJBp+0UGLoGDqEqVkPQ= ;
X-YMail-OSG: 5WH3rHsVM1nBW1PFM9k8h9Rrmu.8g8Mfl3S5FpklPtf9ZIj2
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional
Return-Path: fragilepetalrose@yahoo.com
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2007 17:00:42.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBF30020:01C7ED8

And here's on from today's.

MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: from smtp110.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.243]) by bay0-mc12-f16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:56:20 -0700
Received: (qmail 29126 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 16:56:20 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO winsen) (fragilepetalrose@77.40.71.71 with plain) by smtp110.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2007 16:56:16 -0000
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2k9MDtsPTA7YT0w
X-Message-Info6sSXyD95QpXHEoadl2g3LKQxJkNN9O wGpNa5roXHBRg3e61NYycWBNa71KGVKGV9x3jfokBVUnGyTe5i8SyFNtvg==
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.coh= Received:X-YMail-OSG:Date:From:X-Mailer:Reply-To:X-Priorityity:Message-ID:To:MIME-Version:Content-Typb= 2LIfNyj0b1vkyPq7VRd6Sgo+z0JepeMaapjdJxC8P9DbUkCIWckaUM9slf0DcjQOHuq2xLl+ DJVFSePhZGQ/vVG9T+ixiVQLS0POmWnNmlzagOzlwkb+1Mh1MhcopQJCqBe/T2YIQv0ROgesZlTwc8OzcsXEsw8VJl3xxaq6FL+py4= ;
X-YMail-OSG: O_rg.QEVM1kGuhVjZ4RcSHBuZVSl3YrJtx9_T.HGLNFkj9lE
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional
Return-Path: fragilepetalrose@yahoo.com
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2007 16:56:20.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[84957440:01C7EF14]

Here's some info she has told me about herself

Name: Natasha
E-Mail: fragilepetalrose@yahoo.com
City/Town: Sovetsk (in the Kirov area) Russia
Natasha got a hold of me on Lavalife.
I posted other pics here.
http://www.delphifa..#comments

How do know where the IP's originate from?

Ravage


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2007-09-05, 12:54:06
Skeet from United States  
77.40.71.71 = Volga-telcom Yoshkar-Ola,Mari-EL branch. I know it by heart! lol
Here's a link to the tool I use to check headers;
http://headertool.a..lord.com/

All you do is copy the header and paste it in the box,click 'Check Headers' and then the 'Whois' for each IP listed.The Google button will give results only if it has a reported history of being used by SPAMMERS not SCAMMERS.If you find a header withall US IP's any listed other than Yahoo,MSN,AOL etc. indicate the use of a proxy or socks server.The e-mail provider wether US or FSU are the 1st listed.If you find one that comes back to the DoD in Columbus,OH it's a false reading of the header,look at the date on the header and you will see it leaves the 20 of 2007.Some IP's in {} are a feedback loop in the sending PC,ie, {127.0.0.1} or a 193.etc. which means there's more than 1 PC sending through a server.They're for each PC to communicate with the other.
Your header shows the PC is 'named'='(HELO winsen)'A good way to identify if the same scammer is using different ID's! Not all do it though.This is an attmpt to hide their IP;(fragilepetalrose@77.40.71.71 with plain) They have many tricks but after you look at enough of them and read other's post's it's not hard to pick-up on it.


She's not there...
2007-09-05, 20:29:41
anonymous from United States  
I didn't realize that Paris Hilton was on this foreign dating site www.luckylovers.net
go to the forum devilgirl
2007-09-06, 11:30:01
Randall,R. from United States  
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Mydream girl, I thought is Alla from Kirov, Russia. I was not looking, she found me. Four letters later, she told me she loved me and needed money for a visa and pasport. Also airfare to the states. Sounded to good so I started searching out Russian dating scams and found your site. Thanks for taking the time to post the info.


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2007-09-06, 12:05:17
Hammonds@sc.rr.com from West Columbia, United States  
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2007-09-06, 12:07:03
anonymous from United States  



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