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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2007-09-27, 11:49:17
drod from United States  
Peru,

Used this:
http://headertool.a..m/headers

77.209.123.9 Spain*
77.91.228.130 Russian Federation*

good hunting.........drod
2007-09-27, 12:08:28   (updated: 2007-09-27, 12:10:32)
OJAS from United States  
drod, congrats!

Peru, I'm new to this area of computers. I tried drod's suggestion, and here's the output.

The next stage of Analysis and interpretation has to await some of our experts. (e.g. any forged I? )
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WHOIS - 77.209.123.9
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Location: Spain [City: ]

[Caching always on for search engines and InfoPath]
ARIN says that this IP belongs to RIPE; I'm looking it up there.


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person: Mercedes Moran Cantero
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person: Carmela Fernandez Elias
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person: Nicolas Hernandez Martinez
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WHOIS - 77.91.228.130
Email link to results
Generated by www.DNSstuff.com
Location: Russian Federation (high) [City: ]

[Caching always on for search engines and InfoPath]
ARIN says that this IP belongs to RIPE; I'm looking it up there.


Using 19 day old cached answer (or, you can get fresh results).
Hiding E-mail address (you can get results with the E-mail address).

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% Information related to '77.91.228.32 - 77.91.228.255'

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person: Dmitry Lazarev
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This service is subject to the terms and conditions stated in the RIPE NCC Database Copyright Notice.
Contact dnsstuff.com's 'info2@' address to report problems regarding the functionality of the service.
2007-09-27, 15:12:17
OJAS from United States  
Peru, another attempt at RIPE, here's toutput
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%
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net..ight.html
% Note: This output has been filtered.
% To receive output for a database update, use the '-B' flag
% Information related to '77.208.0.0 - 77.211.255.255'
inetnum: 77.208.0.0 - 77.211.255.255
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source: RIPE # Filtered
organisation: ORG-AMS1-RIPE
org-name: VODAFONE ESPANA S.A.
org-type: LIR
address: Isabel Colbrand 22
Parque Empresarial Castellana Norte
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mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
person: Carlos Becker
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address: Madrid
address: Spain
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nic-hdl: CB2593-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered
person: Angel Cuadrado Moreno
address: Vodafone
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address: 28050 Madrid
address: Spain
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mnt-by: AIRTELNET-MNT
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person: Mercedes Moran Cantero
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address: Madrid
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source: RIPE # Filtered
person: Carmela Fernandez Elias
address: Airtel
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address: Madrid
address: Spain
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source: RIPE # Filtered
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mnt-by: AIRTELNET-MNT
source: RIPEFiltered
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% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net..ight.html
% Note: This output has been filtered.
% To receive output for a database update, use the '-B' flag.
% Information related to '77.91.228.32 - 77.91.228.255'
inetnum: 77.91.228.32 - 77.91.228.255
netname: WEBALTA-NET
descr: WEBALTA / Internet Search Company
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source: RIPE # Filtered
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address: WEBALTA / Internet Search Company
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% Information related to '77.91.224.0/21AS41947'
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2007-09-28, 11:23:25
anonymous from Iceland  
Beware of this one, she goes under the name Whitney and is on friendfinder.com. she has been sending me letters and tells me she is from new york and american but i checked the headers and this came out She is from Gabon , africa so she is a liar and a scammer
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2007-09-28, 17:18:00
anonymous from United States  
I am almost sure this one is a scammer. Anyone recognize this?

isabel steven <isabel207steven@yahoo.com>
My Dearest In heart,
I Thanks you A lot for your message which i got today from you.Sincerely i am more than glad hearing from you.Already i told you few things about me on my last message to you.But not withstanding,My name is isabel Adams, from Ivory coast in west Africa and presently i am residing in the refugee camp here in dakeras a result of the civil war going on in my country.I am only 23years old girl and was about 1.62mtrs and was about 45kg weight and have no child,havent married before.but your age did not make any thing.all i am looking for i love,understanding,caring,and respecting.

I am here in Dakar Senegal West Africa.But living here in a refugee camp just because of the death of my parents doing the war in my country,surely i have to tell you that i am interested in love,romance,marriage,serious relationship and anything that goes between men and women.But to tell the truth,I am much more in need of knowing you better at least.Because i have explained a bit about me to you .I am a daughter to Dr,Steven Adams . but anyhow i will get you informed fully the position i have in my life.I believe you will be surely kind with me.I will open up myself to you when you are kind to me.

Already you have to know i am a jealous someone and i hate when you are looking for other women.But i am assuring you to be kind with you.I love animals, sports, music, children, garden,flowers,neat place, thank you for your understanding with me.Here i have attach my pictures, Cheers for now my dearest one. With-love from,
isabel


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2007-09-29, 17:47:29
anonymous from United States  
The question awhile back was can a Russian girl get a tourist visa to the U.S.? If she has her passport, plane tickets, medical card, does she still need the 1000.00 dollars for proof of support. Ive been told this is Russian law.......
2007-09-29, 19:18:11
anonymous from Sweden  
Hi, any news about 'mariaperson', she wrote me as well... I can't tell if she is a scammer or not... so far she hasn't asked about anything. It would be interesting to know if there is anyone who knows more about her.. thanks
2007-09-29, 19:25:18
OJAS from United States  
Anon US 2007-09-29, 17:47:29

''tourist visa to the U.S ... plane tickets, medical card''

I don't know where you got your info. I don't think you mean they are US REQUIREMENTS ...

http://moscow.usemb..datingscam
2007-09-29, 19:49:48
anonymous from United States  
So far i been told that a Russian girl in Russia who had tourist visa, passport, plane tickets, and 1000. couldnt leave country because of no medical ceritficate. She spent 650 to get 24 hour medical tests and picked up certificate today. Now she has tourist visa, passport, plane tickets and only 350. Russian customs told her she cant leave country unless she has 1000. to show proof of support. She now has only 350. Agency says this is Russian law.
2007-09-29, 20:02:02
anonymous from United States  
The reason i prefaced the last comment was the beginning of this site says Russian women cannot get tourist visas to the US. Who is stopping them the Federation or the US consulate? I asked her for proof she has the Visa but wont give me it. Im confused.
2007-09-30, 07:48:12
kamyar_mehrani@yahoo.com  
im livin in:iran/tehran/pasdaran


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2007-09-30, 08:56:32
Eddie from Sweden  
To any newcomers who find this thread, via Google or whatever:

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS AND RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

If several or more of the following criteria apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshtar Ola, Mari-El Republic, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

# 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :). Plus if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
# girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls.
# girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first!
# scammers rarely have children, but most the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did. (except for Moscow career girls)
# photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls).
# most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes easy to recognise (overuse?). A serious girl who's looking for a partner, would save up and go to a professional to have a photo set done, and/or borrow a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting sleazy pics will only attract cheap guys.
# girl claims not to have a mobile phone. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her when you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a computer is quite common.
# very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish copy)
# writes everyday in English (how does she have time if she's working? + most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English). Anyway, what's the point of finding a girl if you can't communicate with her, at least on a basic level? And if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account?
# doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter)
# falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego or loneliness pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows.
# uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam. If she uses gmail, be suspicious too cos you won't be able to trace the IP. Hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger.

MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
# wants money for a 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, but IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY! She can get a sponsored visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. All of these she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries...the USA and Canada are almost as complicated. Anyway, a normal tourist visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Be realistic.
NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are a few scammers that are more patient and professional. There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers. One or two (mostly in the Ukraine) are not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot.

But a ground rule is: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. And if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know, you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to go and get them. Chercher la femme.


2007-09-30, 10:59:33
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from USA 2007-09-29, 20:02:02

Theoretically, any Russian citizen can get a TOURIST visa to any Western country if they have booked a tour or hotel in the country of choice + plane tickets, spending money (no specific amount!!! but must have a credit card) and medical insurance all IN ADVANCE. They must also have a letter from their employer (ie they must have a real job). However, travel to the West is very expensive for the 90% of Russian citizens that don't live in Moscow/St Petersburg.

In other words, only rich Russians can afford to travel and they can get visas easily. The immigration services of the USA and other Western countries will refuse a visa to anyone considered an overstay risk, ie almost anyone that doesn't come from Moscow and St Petersburg, especially if they are single women and don't have a job.

The chances of your girl actually having a tourist visa are incredibly small. The embassy wouldn't have granted it without the medical insurance certificate first anyway, so her story is BULLSHIT.

On the other hand, it's quite easy to get a SPONSORED visa, but this involves a lot more paperwork, including some of the above (tickets, medical insurance) but also a letter of invitation from the sponsor, copy of the sponsor's passport photo page, proof of residency and a completed sponsor's application form.

hope that helps.
2007-09-30, 12:56:56
anonymous from United States  
Eddie that helps more than you know. I havent heard from her today. The travel agency has said i will regret not giving her the 650. I told him he made the mistake not telling her about the biocontrol which was her medical info. He should give her the 650, after all he will get it back, help a comrade. I have told her as you recommended that i could meet her in moscow. There have been a hundred emails and and a couple phone calls. Her flight leaves tuesday for the states.
2007-09-30, 13:55:34
anonymous from United States  
The $1000 to leave is pure bull. You do need to have a medical exam to enter from some areas because of a prevalance of communicable disease, but it is not going to be $650. I am pretty sure the whole thing is a scam.
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